Amp/Preamp Asylum: RE: Distortion vs power by morricab

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In Reply to: Distortion vs power posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on June 1, 2025 at 11:54:51:

This is basically the hypothesis Cheever has proposed. Amps generating distortion that mimics the pattern of the ears own distortion mechanism will "hide" in that self-generated distortion...ie. it's masked.

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Topic - What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 18:19:22 05/16/25 ( 130)

RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 18:55:35 05/31/25 ( 0)
RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 17:45:24 05/21/25 ( 5)
- If that amp makes about 7 Watts - Ralph 13:13:29 05/22/25 ( 4)
  - RE: If that amp makes about 7 Watts - PaulF70 09:03:45 05/23/25 ( 3)
    - What PP amp did you use - Ralph 10:52:14 05/27/25 ( 2)
      - RE: What PP amp did you use - PaulF70 17:10:30 05/28/25 ( 1)
        
        Uh, no you didn't. - Ralph 08:41:56 05/29/25 ( 0)
If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 13:00:24 05/20/25 ( 36)
- Blameless amplifiers... - cellailuca 03:13:54 06/21/25 ( 0)
- RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 17:57:55 05/20/25 ( 34)
  - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 08:44:34 05/21/25 ( 23)
    - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 11:56:30 05/21/25 ( 20)
      - Apparently you and he don't know the difference between class B and C nt - Ralph 12:50:33 05/21/25 ( 19)
        
        Self defense - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:41:06 05/21/25 ( 18)
        
        RE: Self defense - Ralph 09:46:00 05/22/25 ( 17)
        
        Crossing over - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:03:24 05/24/25 ( 16)
        
        RE: Crossing over - Ralph 10:26:50 05/27/25 ( 14)
        
        RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 09:42:38 05/28/25 ( 13)
        
        No, that's not the same. - Ralph 10:40:39 05/28/25 ( 12)
        
        RE: No, that's not the same. - PaulF70 19:56:13 05/28/25 ( 11)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - Ralph 08:25:58 05/29/25 ( 10)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 09:12:56 05/30/25 ( 9)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 16:49:21 06/2/25 ( 4)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 23:27:10 06/2/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 21:16:27 06/3/25 ( 2)
        
        Time for some feedback - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 01:11:08 06/4/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: Time for some feedback - morricab 07:48:44 06/5/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 12:11:35 06/1/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - PaulF70 17:28:17 06/4/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: No, I'm saying we don't know what is really happening here due to the use of innuendo - morricab 07:49:38 06/5/25 ( 0)
        
        Clearly you're not in a position to know. nt - Ralph 07:46:14 06/3/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Crossing over - PaulF70 08:47:33 05/25/25 ( 0)
    - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 11:48:28 05/21/25 ( 1)
      - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - Ralph 12:48:52 05/21/25 ( 0)
  - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 00:41:22 05/21/25 ( 9)
    - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 13:08:25 05/21/25 ( 4)
      - I doubt that is due to crossover distortion - Ralph 13:05:45 05/22/25 ( 0)
      - RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - morricab 08:25:12 05/22/25 ( 2)
        
        RE: If they work properly they don't tick. - PaulF70 09:48:39 05/28/25 ( 0)
        
        Yes, its not transformer insulation! - Ralph 13:02:59 05/22/25 ( 0)
    - Ever consider writing novels? - Ralph 08:45:46 05/21/25 ( 3)
      - RE: Ever consider writing novels? - morricab 12:01:13 05/21/25 ( 2)
        
        So please explain what class C is - Ralph 12:51:45 05/21/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: So please explain what class C is - morricab 06:32:40 05/22/25 ( 0)
RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Geofdillon@gmail.com 23:10:07 05/18/25 ( 21)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - morricab 00:45:33 05/21/25 ( 20)
  - RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:45:16 05/21/25 ( 6)
    - Read Cheever's thesis...it's easy to do... - morricab 06:27:25 05/22/25 ( 5)
      - Problems with Cheever's thesis - Ralph 10:59:58 05/22/25 ( 4)
        
        RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - morricab 09:30:48 05/26/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - Ralph 09:08:52 05/27/25 ( 2)
        
        RE: Problems with Cheever's thesis - morricab 12:18:07 06/1/25 ( 1)
        
        This seems in contradiction to another post you made - Ralph 08:23:50 06/2/25 ( 0)
  - RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Geofdillon@gmail.com 13:18:06 05/21/25 ( 0)
  - This statement is false. - Ralph 11:37:31 05/21/25 ( 11)
    - Not according to Cheever - morricab 12:04:08 05/21/25 ( 10)
      - And the possiblity you are quoting him correctly is?? - Ralph 12:53:49 05/21/25 ( 9)
        
        Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 06:15:47 05/22/25 ( 8)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:40:37 05/24/25 ( 6)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 09:35:49 05/26/25 ( 5)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:31:05 05/26/25 ( 4)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 06:36:01 05/27/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 13:38:06 05/28/25 ( 2)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - morricab 12:22:15 06/1/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: Read his thesis why don't you? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:31:15 06/1/25 ( 0)
        
        Read it years ago. - Ralph 10:20:25 05/22/25 ( 0)
RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - AbeCollins 06:07:02 05/18/25 ( 7)
- An effective solution - E-Stat 16:00:28 05/18/25 ( 4)
  - Not looking for a solution - AbeCollins 15:34:35 05/19/25 ( 1)
    - Which has become a non issue for the informed -nt - E-Stat 15:54:23 05/19/25 ( 0)
  - RE: An effective solution - MaggiesAndCats 07:02:53 05/19/25 ( 1)
    - Herbie's used on amps - E-Stat 13:15:05 05/19/25 ( 0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - Tre' 08:13:50 05/18/25 ( 1)
  - Good point! - nt - AbeCollins 15:35:01 05/19/25 ( 0)
RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - hahax@verizon.net 19:17:17 05/16/25 ( 55)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - mgbpuff 06:11:41 05/17/25 ( 53)
  - that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - mhardy6647 08:13:16 05/17/25 ( 52)
    - RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - hahax@verizon.net 20:43:51 05/17/25 ( 0)
    - RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - mgbpuff 09:05:46 05/17/25 ( 50)
      - No amplifying devices are linear - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 08:06:29 05/19/25 ( 36)
        
        Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - Tre' 07:15:36 05/20/25 ( 35)
        
        RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:40:26 05/20/25 ( 34)
        
        RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - hahax@verizon.net 22:16:20 05/21/25 ( 23)
        
        Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 23:38:20 05/21/25 ( 22)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - Ralph 11:14:00 05/22/25 ( 17)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - PaulF70 08:38:25 06/1/25 ( 3)
        
        Totally agree! - Ralph 08:24:29 06/2/25 ( 0)
        
        Distortion vs power - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 11:54:51 06/1/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: Distortion vs power - morricab 06/17/25 08:49:28 06/17/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:11:01 05/23/25 ( 12)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - Ralph 10:46:12 05/27/25 ( 10)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 12:32:27 06/1/25 ( 1)
        
        Correct. - Ralph 08:22:36 06/2/25 ( 0)
        
        Pedantically, our ears use the pressure of the sound to sense the sound pressure - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:54:56 05/29/25 ( 7)
        
        Its easy to show that higher ordered harmonics are what the ear uses - Ralph 08:26:40 05/30/25 ( 6)
        
        RE: Its easy to show that higher ordered harmonics are what the ear uses - morricab 12:36:12 06/1/25 ( 3)
        
        :) so which is it? - Ralph 08:21:22 06/2/25 ( 2)
        
        RE: :) so which is it? - morricab 07:50:41 06/5/25 ( 1)
        
        You misread my prior post. Please go back and read it again. nt - Ralph 09:12:14 06/20/25 ( 0)
        
        I retain my title as Most Pedantic Inmate - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 19:28:47 05/31/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: I retain my title as Most Pedantic Inmate :) - Ralph 08:57:38 06/2/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 10:05:15 05/26/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - morricab 06:14:16 05/22/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - PaulF70 08:25:03 05/24/25 ( 2)
        
        chaotic behavior - Ralph 07:55:21 06/3/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Distortion and frequency response are good starting points - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 15:25:22 05/25/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: Yes but some devices are a lot more linear than others - morricab 00:49:44 05/21/25 ( 9)
        
        There is a system that takes advantage of psychoacoustics - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 23:40:17 05/21/25 ( 1)
        
        I know another one...- - morricab 12:44:28 06/1/25 ( 0)
        
        A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - Ralph 09:08:20 05/21/25 ( 6)
        
        RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - PaulF70 08:31:42 05/24/25 ( 3)
        
        RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - PaulF70 09:37:40 05/28/25 ( 1)
        
        Yes, and - Ralph 07:48:53 06/3/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: A straight wire with gain wouldn't work right with most speakers - Ralph 10:33:40 05/27/25 ( 0)
        
        Its a sonic metaphor...-DUH! - morricab 12:05:44 05/21/25 ( 1)
        
        Yes. And its one that doesn't hold up if you think about it just a little bit. nt - Ralph 12:54:33 05/21/25 ( 0)
      - " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - 1973shovel 04:16:57 05/18/25 ( 9)
        
        RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - morricab 00:52:55 05/21/25 ( 5)
        
        RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - hahax@verizon.net 22:18:20 05/21/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - morricab 12:56:38 06/1/25 ( 0)
        
        FWIW Ayre solid state amps are zero feedback and don't use SITs nt - Ralph 09:02:11 05/21/25 ( 2)
        
        And? Never said it had to be SITs... - morricab 12:29:33 05/21/25 ( 1)
        
        Yes. It was FWIW, just pointing it out nt - Ralph 13:17:28 05/21/25 ( 0)
        
        RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - mgbpuff 11:30:56 05/18/25 ( 2)
        
        RE: " Solid state devices are not as linear as tubes..., so a feedback circuit is required" - hahax@verizon.net 20:51:00 05/18/25 ( 1)
        
        Not correct - E-Stat 13:29:42 05/19/25 ( 0)
      - RE: that's correct -- it's the "SE" not the "T"... - hahax@verizon.net 20:42:03 05/17/25 ( 0)
      - yes, I am -- ahem -- rather familiar with SE DHT amplification - mhardy6647 18:37:10 05/17/25 ( 1)
        
        RE: yes, I am -- ahem -- rather familiar with SE DHT amplification - morricab 00:55:21 05/21/25 ( 0)
- RE: What Makes SET Amps Tick? - PaulF70 19:38:29 05/16/25 ( 0)