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Here's one on W.

Posted by clarkjohnsen on January 28, 2002 at 09:09:15:

How unpleasant to contemplate the proposition that we're all being brainwashed. Some friends of mine have been telling me this for years. I pay no attention.


PS The magisterial (others have said "pompous") late will no doubt regard my post as another "whine". Him I advise, not to read this. Better he should remain as is.

INTERVIEW WITH Andreas Von Buelow

VON BULOW INTERVIEW - A criticism of authorized King George W version of
September 11 story

Source: Tagesspiegel, Jan. 12 - PARTIAL TRANSLATION below

The following interview by Stephan Lebert / Norbert Thomma with Andreas
Von Bulow appeared in the German newspaper Tagesspiegel, on Jan. 13, 2002

Q: You seem so angry, really upset.

Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the
horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being
forced into a direction that I consider wrong.

Q: What do you mean by that?

Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with such
a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then commented
on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is there something
here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This time, this is not the
case at all. It already began just hours after the attacks in New York and
Washington and--

Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.

Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26
intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--

Q: More than the German defense budget.

Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact, they
didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive minutes, the
military and intelligence agencies let the fighter planes stay on the
ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented a list of suicide
attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven of them were still alive.

Q: What, please?

Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position regarding
contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was false? If I were the
chief investigator (state attorney) in such a case, I would regularly go to
the public, and give information on which leads are valid and which not.

Q: The U.S. government talked about an emergency situation after the
attacks: They said they were in a war. Is it not understandable that one
does not tell the enemy everything one knows about him?

Von Buelow: Naturally. But a government which goes to war, must first
establish who the attacker, the enemy, is. It has a duty to provide
evidence. According to its own admission, it has not been able to present
any evidence that would hold up in court.

Q: Some information on the perpetrators has been proven with documents. The
suspected leader, Mohammad Atta, left Portland for Boston on the morning of
Sept. 11, in order to board the plane that later hit the World Trade

Von Buelow: If this Atta was the decisive man in the operation, it's really
strange that he took such a risk of taking a plane that would reach Boston
such a short time before the connecting flight. Had his flight been a few
minutes late, he would not have been in the plane that was hijacked. Why
should a sophisticated terrorist do this? One can, by the way, read on CNN
(Internet) that none of these names were on the official passenger lists.
None of them had gone through the check-in procedures. And why did none of
the threatened pilots give the agreed-upon code 7700 over the
[Steuerknueppel: STEERING NOB?] to the ground station? In addition: The
black boxes which are fire and shock proof, as well as the voice
recordings, contain no valuable data--

Q: That sounds like--

Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave tracks
behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made payments with
credit cards with their own names; they reported to their flight
instructors with their own names. They left behind rented cars with flight
manuals in Arabic for jumbo jets. They took with them, on their suicide
trip, wills and farewell letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI,
because they were stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues
were left behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be
followed! There is also the theory of one British flight engineer:
According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the
pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the
1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the
computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this
technique was abused in this case. That's a theory....

Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.

Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth
considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the week
prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in American
Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies, increased 1,200%. It
was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must have known something. Who?

Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.

Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass
democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of
anti-communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of
Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal

Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.

Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from me. It
comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two policy-makers of
American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in the middle of he
1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the U.S. needed someone
they could hate--this would strengthen their identification with their own
society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog, as adviser to President Jimmy Carter,
campaigned for the exclusive right of the U.S. to seize all the raw
materials of the world, especially oil and gas.

Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the
intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This
is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former
Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in {Spiegel}: "It's a matter of
military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''...

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and
organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within
a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with
complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long
support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.

Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!

Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising these
questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official, politically
correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed propaganda and
disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have all his marbles! That
is your accusation.

Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in your
right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in the Defense
Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic Party] speaker in the
Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--

Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have any
great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we had to
take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the dealings of the
Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in the field of economic
criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know something about the
activities of the BND [German intelligence] or the CIA, it was mercilessly
blocked. No information, no cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first
taken aback.

Q: Schalck-Golodkowski mediated, among other things, various business deals
abroad. When you looked at his case more closely--

Von Buelow: We found, for example, a clue in Rostock, where Schalck
organized his weapons depot. Well, then we happened upon an affiliation of
Schalck in Panama, and then we happened upon Manuel Noriega, who was for
many years President, drug dealer, and money launderer, all in one, right?
And this Noriega was also on the payroll of the CIA, for $200,000 a year.
These were things that really made me curious.

Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you
have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence
services' work.

Von Buelow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes
on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.

Q: What would you say determines the work of intelligence services?

Von Buelow: So that we don't have any misunderstandings: I find that it
makes sense to have intelligence services....

Q: You don't think much of the earlier proposals by the Greens, who wanted
to dismantle these agencies?

Von Buelow: No. It is right to take a look behind the scenes. Getting
intelligence about the intentions of an enemy, makes sense. It is important
when one tries to put oneself into the mind of the enemy. Whoever wants to
understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks, {covert
operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign
states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist
attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money
laundering. This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with
weapons. Since, however, it must not under any circumstances come out, that
there is an intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with
tremendous deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of
intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads.
So that, if anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is
accused of the sickness of conspiracy madness. The truth often comes out
only years later. CIA chief Allen Dulles once said: In case of doubt, I
would even lie to the Congress!

Q: The American journalist Seymour M. Hersh, wrote in the {New Yorker,}
that even some people in the CIA and government assumed, that certain leads
had been laid in order to confuse the investigators. Who, Herr Von Buelow,
would have done this?

Von Buelow: I don't know that either. How should I? I simply use my common
sense, and--See: The terrorists behaved in such a way to attract attention.
And as practicing Muslims, they were in a strip-tease bar, and, drunken,
stuck dollar bills into the panty of the dancer.

Q: Things like that also happen.

Von Buelow: It may be. As a lone fighter, I cannot prove anything, that's
beyond my capabilities. I have real difficulties, however, to imagine that
all this all sprung out of the mind of an evil man in his cave.

Q: Mr.

Von Buelow, you yourself say that you are alone in your criticism.
Formerly, you were part of the political establishment, now you are an

Von Buelow: That is a problem sometimes, but one gets used to it. By the
way, I know a lot of people, including very influential ones, who agree
with me, but only in whispers, never publicly.

Q: Do you still have contact with old SPD companions, such as Egon Bahr and
former Chancellor Helmut Schmidt?

Von Buelow: There are no close contacts any more. I wanted to go to the
last SPD party congress, but I was sick.

Q: Can it be, Mr. Von Buelow, that you are a mouthpiece for typical

Von Buelow: Nonsense, this has absolutely nothing to do with
anti-Americanism. I am a great admirer of this great, open, free society,
and always have been. I studied in the U.S.

Q: How did you get the idea that there could be a link between the attacks
and the American intelligence agencies?

Von Buelow: Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993?

Q: Six people were killed and over a thousand wounded, by a bomb explosion.

Von Buelow: In the middle was the bombmaker, a former Egyptian officer. He
had pulled together some Muslims for the attack. They were snuck into the
country by the CIA, despite a State Department ban on their entry. At the
same time, the leader of the band was an FBI informant. And he made a deal
with the authorities: At the last minute, the dangerous explosive material
would be replaced by a harmless powder. The FBI did not stick to the deal.
The bomb exploded, so to speak, with the knowledge of the FBI. The official
story of the crime was quickly found: The criminals were evil Muslims.

Q: At the time Soviet soldiers marched into Afghanistan, you were in the
cabinet of Helmut Schmidt. What was it like?

Von Buelow: The Americans pushed for trade sanctions, they demanded the
boycott of the Olympic games in Moscow....

Q.... which the German government followed...

Von Buelow: And today we know: It was the strategy of the American security
adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, to destabilize the Soviet Union from
neighboring Muslim countries: They lured the Russians into Afghanistan, and
then prepared for them a hell on earth, their Vietnam. With decisive
support of the U.S. intelligence agencies, at least 30,000 Muslim fighters
were trained in Afghanistan and Pakistan, a bunch of good-for-nothings and
fanatics who were, and still are today, ready for anything. And one of them
is Osama bin Laden. I wrote years ago: "It was out of this brood, that the
Taliban grew up in Afghanistan, who had been brought up in the Koran
schools financed by American and Saudi funds, the Taliban who are now
terrorizing the country and destroying it.

Q: Even though you say, for the U.S. it was a matter of raw materials in
the region, the starting point for the U.S. aggression, was the terrorist
attack which cost thousands of human lives.

Von Buelow: Completely true. One must always keep this gruesome act in
mind. Nonetheless, in the analysis of political processes, I am allowed to
look and see who has advantages and disadvantages, and what is
coincidental. When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a
map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a
map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that--they coincide. The same is
the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all
comes together, the American intelligence services are not far away. By the
way, the Bush family is linked to oil, gas, and weapons trade, through the
bin Laden family.

Q: What do you think of the Bin Laden films?

Von Buelow: When one is dealing with intelligence services, one can imagine
manipulations of the highest quality. Hollywood could provide these
techniques. I consider the videos inappropriate as evidence.

Q: You believe the CIA is capable of anything, [wouldn't stop at anything].

Von Buelow: The CIA, in the state interests of the U.S., does not have to
abide by any law in interventions abroad, is not bound by international
law; only the President gives orders. And when funds are cut, peace is on
the horizon, then a bomb explodes somewhere. Thus it is proven, that you
can't do without the intelligence services; and that the critics are
{nuts,} as Father Bush called them, Bush who was once CIA head and
President. You have to see that the U.S. spends $30 billion on intelligence
services, and $13 billion on anti-drug work. And what comes out of it? The
chief of a special unit of the strategic anti-drug work declared, in
despair, after 30 years of service, that in every big, important drug case,
the CIA came in and took it out of my hands.

Q: Do you criticize the German government for its reaction after Sept. 11?

Von Buelow: No. To assume that the government were independent in these
questions, would be naive.

Q: Herr Von Buelow, what will you do now?

Von Buelow: Nothing. My task is concluded by saying, it could not have been
that way [according to the official story]. Search for the truth!


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