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I just got through catching up on Stereophile and read Fremer's article about the Kuzma XL table (which I own so my bias is now upfront). I can live with his review as his review just fine but I really don't like the idea that he uses CDR's that he's recorded from his table (Continuum) and the Kuzma and then plays these to people who then judge the quality of the tables. It seems to me that this introduces an additional interaction effect that Fremer doesn't seem to appreciate -- that is, there may be differential effects attributable to the interaction of the various TT's and the CDR recording process. Given that he talks about one table having apparent versus genuine detail I'm not really convinced that he's used a proper comparison approach.Is there a view out there about this type of review comparison (using TT's recorded onto CDR and then judging the table's quality based on the CDR)? It seems that this is not a very good way to compare tables or judge a given table's efficacy.
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Topic - CDR comparisons of turntables -- is Fremer using an appropriate approach? - chris e. 03:20:47 04/17/07 (45)
- F*ck ceedee. - Elmo 06:24:27 04/18/07 (3)
- Why don't you tell us what you really think! ;-) (nt) - John Elison 07:25:44 04/18/07 (2)
- The logical conclusion to CDR as test bed for eval - Elmo 09:21:56 04/18/07 (1)
- Re: The logical conclusion to CDR as test bed for eval - John Elison 11:19:51 04/18/07 (1)
- Re: CDR comparisons appropriate approach? - NO! - haugenmarka@hotmail.com 23:32:45 04/17/07 (2)
- Re: CDR comparisons appropriate approach? - NO! - John Elison 05:57:51 04/18/07 (1)
- Well, of course!! - Bry 19:24:15 04/18/07 (0)
- Well, you can't accuse MF of being bigoted against digital. - cjfrbw 15:12:16 04/17/07 (0)
- I think on a certain level it makes sense.. - Analog Scott 13:49:53 04/17/07 (0)
- seems to me... - old6eyes 13:01:16 04/17/07 (0)
- A major problem using CD-Rs to compare TTs. - jsm 12:41:05 04/17/07 (0)
- Who cares .... - bobp 09:41:42 04/17/07 (0)
- Would the sonic character of the TT be displayed equally if played back on an Apex DVDP and a reference quality CDP? - artemus 09:28:23 04/17/07 (1)
- I disagree... - rich121 11:42:30 04/17/07 (0)
- My problem... - mark111 08:10:52 04/17/07 (1)
- Exactly - Bry 08:25:14 04/17/07 (0)
- I've heard one of his Rockport CDRs - WinthorpeIII 07:53:54 04/17/07 (7)
- i have a copy... - analog guy 08:38:34 04/17/07 (6)
- i have got to say - OMalley 09:46:03 04/17/07 (5)
- my belief... - analog guy 10:47:10 04/17/07 (4)
- if some mythical person ... - OMalley 11:09:57 04/17/07 (3)
- well... - analog guy 11:22:20 04/17/07 (2)
- Re: well... - Milos 20:16:30 04/17/07 (1)
- thanks, milos - analog guy 21:08:02 04/17/07 (0)
- I would disagree 100% - mattcecil1@yahoo.com 07:53:20 04/17/07 (0)
- antithectical, don't cha think? - OMalley 06:00:11 04/17/07 (3)
- Spoken like a true authority on digital recording. You are my hero, O'Malley! ;-) (nt) - John Elison 06:20:11 04/17/07 (2)
- kneel down - OMalley 06:28:51 04/17/07 (1)
- LOL! -nt - Bry 08:06:51 04/17/07 (0)
- Re: CDR comparisons of turntables -- is Fremer using an appropriate approach? - anumber1 05:26:06 04/17/07 (14)
- Re: CDR comparisons of turntables -- is Fremer using an appropriate approach? - John Elison 05:37:56 04/17/07 (13)
- Apparently not to Fremer - E-Stat 07:12:19 04/17/07 (4)
- Well, I have only heard my own Masterlink.... - John Elison 07:24:07 04/17/07 (3)
- Well that's one interpretation - E-Stat 08:01:10 04/17/07 (2)
- So, what is your interpretation? - John Elison 09:39:25 04/17/07 (1)
- Yes - E-Stat 10:18:57 04/17/07 (0)
- my less then eloquently stated point is... - anumber1 06:21:10 04/17/07 (7)
- it is painfully obvious that to judge a turntable you must listen to it - OMalley 07:07:48 04/17/07 (4)
- Well, - anumber1 07:13:32 04/17/07 (3)
- believe me when I tell ya - OMalley 07:21:26 04/17/07 (2)
- When yer outta dope, yer outta hope, I always say. . . ;8^) /nt\ - HenryH 08:57:20 04/17/07 (0)
- C'mon over - anumber1 07:23:17 04/17/07 (0)
- Re: my less then eloquently stated point is... - John Elison 06:55:49 04/17/07 (1)
- Uh, not o belabor the point, but . . . - HenryH 07:20:24 04/17/07 (0)
- Re: CDR comparisons of turntables -- is Fremer using an appropriate approach? - John Elison 05:22:08 04/17/07 (0)