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Thanks Jim for sending me that cartridge to have a listen to. It has helped me decide to go to a 304! :-)I can see what they mean when they say that the DL-103 is a broadcast cartridge. The midrange is all there as one piece - good for broadcast. But there is no peripheral vision! The top end disappears. It's not distorted, it's just not there. Snares on drums loses presence and when things are a pronounced presence in a recording on the top end they come into the midrange but the cartridge does not go out and get them.
All comments are coming from an "on my system" point of view because it can be that the arm was not brought into compliance with the cart. I added enough weight but it looks like from Ed's DB that it dl-103 wants an ibeam for a tonearm. But I think I got it very much in the ballpark that other users are doing. It is a RB250 with 7grams added running with 2.5 VTF. I was also using the Denon AU300LC sut into a Bugle @ 50db/47kohms. [giving the denon supposedly more openness or thin-ness ... but it didn't appear thin in any way]
I have been using a DL-160. In contrast the 160 is more open in that it reaches into the topend much further. But the 160 is thinner thru the mids and there is more space between instruments thru the whole range. This can be interpreted in several ways. I can see why some people say that the 103 is not dynamic or airy because of the way it populates the mids and moves as a piece in that regard.
The dl-103 thickly populates the midrange but it is compressed in that it does not reach far beyond the mids. That is why going to a 304 might be the thing for me. I can see that the 160 is thin in comparison, after changing back, and I wanted some of the mids back. Again, maybe the 304 does this trick.
The DL-1-3 has absolutely no hi-fi tricks at all. I must now admit to a shallowness in liking those things - it adds to the fun. I guess I don't like neutral. The 160 does guitars strings with an over the top vibrato sometimes, and dynamics appear more dramatic in that the 160 reaches so far up. The 160 has a bigger sounds and because it is thinner in the mids it can make moving to the top and bottom more dramatic.
But on the 103, a trumpet has not sounded so good, real weight with the correct sound of air ripple that the 160 overplays with a little sparkle. Voices are real real good, much better. I can see where other's have said that the 103 is the best moving magnet sounding moving coil. It appears exactly that way to me. But one of the things I really liked about going to the dl-110, from listening to only moving magnets previously, was the vast open-ness and sparkly top end. I don't want to lose that.
I really like what the DL-103 does since everyone says that this is a family sound throughout the all the Denon's LOMCs it might be a safe bet going to the 304. I will see.
My preferences are matters of taste balanced against what this cartridge does. I don't think that the 160 is better than the 103 or that the 103 is better than the 160. They both do different things. (I never thought that the 160 was thin but only in comparison to the 103.) Having a listen has made clear the importance of having a listen.
Big thanks again to Tubes for letting me borrow his DL-1-3R.
~Slainte,
The OMalley
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Topic - That DL-103R that Tubes sent me - OMalley 15:04:19 09/17/06 (56)
- How about surface noise? - Jack1 00:04:36 09/19/06 (1)
- Re: How about surface noise? - OMalley 04:33:35 09/19/06 (0)
- Glad to have you take a listen....some tweaking suggestions. - tubesforever 23:49:46 09/17/06 (0)
- Great post - Tawe 22:36:56 09/17/06 (1)
- Re: Great post - SirAnthony 23:39:37 09/17/06 (0)
- Re: That DL-103R that Tubes sent me - tszeking.cheng@homecall.co.uk 18:21:47 09/17/06 (6)
- Re: Agreed! No fancy, no tricks....back to basic - naZri 00:38:10 09/18/06 (0)
- according to Ed's DB both the 301 & 304 are compatable with a medium mass Rega RB250 arm. - OMalley 18:44:21 09/17/06 (4)
- Re: according to Ed's DB both the 301 & 304 are compatable with a medium mass Rega RB250 arm. - krenzler 19:04:15 09/17/06 (3)
- so based on that - OMalley 19:37:39 09/17/06 (2)
- Re: so based on that - krenzler 21:35:38 09/17/06 (1)
- It's also about synergy - J Harris 07:27:45 09/18/06 (0)
- I will be awaiting your revue - jnorv 17:25:54 09/17/06 (6)
- I saw the S1 at twice the price - OMalley 17:50:01 09/17/06 (5)
- You seem to be a - jnorv 20:04:59 09/17/06 (4)
- Loaning a cart to a crazy Irishman....! - Scottrt 02:36:22 09/18/06 (1)
- you bet - OMalley 21:05:58 09/17/06 (2)
- Re: you bet - derekva 12:40:17 09/18/06 (1)
- it might be taste - OMalley 13:15:09 09/18/06 (0)
- A DL-103R is a poor match with an RB250 - J Harris 16:36:41 09/17/06 (10)
- Stock RB250 or OL-1? - derekva 10:30:37 09/19/06 (1)
- I had the original OL-modified RB250 (nt) - J Harris 21:18:39 09/20/06 (0)
- I couldn't agree with you more! - tubesforever 23:52:34 09/17/06 (0)
- Opinion on a Alphason arm? 11g nt/ - valvesonly 19:26:21 09/17/06 (1)
- Re: Opinion on a Alphason arm? 11g nt/ - JRags 20:56:26 09/17/06 (0)
- Ortofon - OMalley 17:40:40 09/17/06 (4)
- Re: Ortofon - Fred J 21:41:16 09/17/06 (3)
- Re: Ortofon - OMalley 04:19:57 09/18/06 (2)
- Re: Ortofon - J Harris 07:25:10 09/18/06 (1)
- well... - OMalley 08:32:43 09/18/06 (0)
- 304 might be the ticket indeed - Joel_Waterman 15:41:54 09/17/06 (1)
- good news - OMalley 17:58:20 09/17/06 (0)
- Re: That DL-103R that Tubes sent me - bjh 15:37:49 09/17/06 (23)
- Why not try a high mass tonearm first before jetisoning the Denon.... - tubesforever 23:57:04 09/17/06 (1)
- Re: Why not try a high mass tonearm first before jetisoning the Denon.... - bjh 05:30:17 09/18/06 (0)
- you wouldn't consider a 304 or 301? - OMalley 19:00:05 09/17/06 (4)
- I'll tell you when I get sonic impressions from someone I trust. nt - bjh 19:12:46 09/17/06 (3)
- wait, let me feel bad for a minute - OMalley 19:21:40 09/17/06 (2)
- "If you got any helpfull criticism I would be glad to hear it." - bjh 20:54:49 09/17/06 (1)
- thanks - OMalley 21:10:03 09/17/06 (0)
- Same here. My plain 103 never gets in the way of the music. - HenryH 15:41:11 09/17/06 (15)
- I can't help but wondering how many pennies are the equivalent of 7 grams!? - bjh 18:15:14 09/17/06 (14)
- Most pennies are 2.2 grams. - tubesforever 23:58:43 09/17/06 (0)
- i am not the only one who puts coins on tonearms - OMalley 19:03:56 09/17/06 (9)
- Re: i am not the only one who puts coins on tonearms - Fred J 22:04:17 09/17/06 (8)
- a lot of men have died going up the Ting Yang - OMalley 11:09:39 09/18/06 (0)
- Re: i am not the only one who puts coins on tonearms - mosin 22:15:06 09/17/06 (6)
- Sure, but use some govt. cheese for proper adhesion. nm - tketcham 23:24:36 09/17/06 (1)
- but it might clog things up. - OMalley 04:22:03 09/18/06 (0)
- Only with entitlement tonearms ;-) ( NT) - Fred J 22:50:44 09/17/06 (3)
- So how do I score one of those? Is there a lot of red tape involved? ;-) /MT\ - Ray-o-Stat 10:43:57 09/18/06 (2)
- there is a lot of red tape involved ! - Fred J 17:07:02 09/18/06 (0)
- Yeah, but it's Teflon. (nt) - mosin 15:47:08 09/18/06 (0)
- Yup. If the 103 does fine in the SL-1200 arm, it should do - HenryH 18:28:37 09/17/06 (2)
- Re: Yup. If the 103 does fine in the SL-1200 arm, it should do - bjh 18:38:10 09/17/06 (1)
- this is funny - OMalley 18:49:43 09/17/06 (0)