O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping

Posted by artemus (A) on September 9, 2006 at 06:51:00

In Reply to: A serious point regarding how we approach our hobby.... posted by tubesforever on September 8, 2006 at 22:48:15:

A while back I posted my comments about this same subject and it was portrayed as a digi/vinyl war, when in fact it was not. Back then the question asked was somewhat different (How does my system sound?) I still find the concept flawed.
IE, I might hear the 103 as it sounds in your system, played back through my system with its colorations. Still, I am not hearing what you are hearing. I am hearing what I am hearing on a totally different system. I'd guess that the interesting comments you receive are due to the fact that you are listening to 2 different systems.
You say
I cannot wait to hear feedback from those that received the CDRs and have not yet weighed in on the recordings. I hope that over time, that trading CDR's of our systems will help us get a feel for what works well or poorly given any particular circumstance.

This is the kind of comment that got me on the vinyl black list before because I questioned the veracity of such an idea. Again I'll ask the question. How can listening to a recording of your system with all its colorations over my system with its colorations tell me what your system sounds like? I may be able to gather some info about how your table/arm/cartridge might sound, but even THAT is skewed by the colorations of your system which are transferred into the recording.

Then we have the problem of copy and its problems. The cd's that I have made copies of sounded inferior to their source/master. I was surprised by this. I use good disks and never have any other programs running when I burn cd's. My computer is not that old and I have 512meg RAM. I use one of the latest versions of Nero and burn at 16 or 24 speed. But still they are inferior. It's not by a wide margin, but there is still something lacking. My wife also hears the difference

In conclusion, I think system synergy is of utmost importance. And this is the trickiest aspect to obtain. Your goal is admirable, but I think unobtainable because of this synergy or lack thereof. So you send a cdr to someone who lacks system synergy and it stinks? Is it the cdr that stinks, or the lack of synergy that made it stink? So now what does the receiver think of the 103? I think this just muddies the water and gives false or misleading impressions. Its like reinventing the wheel. We already have standardized disks and records in which people comment about their sonic characteristics. When the majority say this disk/record sounds excellent and it doesn't on my system, then I can usually be sure that I have something askew in my system that needs attention.
System synergy is also why I do not put faith in in store demos. I've bought some of the worst sounding stuff after listening to an in store demo. It worked with their equipment/room, but it sounded horrible in mine. I think you are trying to acheive an in home demo, which is a great idea. But it is a reflection that you are sending instead of the actual piece of eqiuipment. And so it is akin to looking in the mirror. But what is the condition of my mirror? Is it cracked? Dirty? Is it completely flat or warped like a funhouse mirror? And why does the guy in the mirror hold out his left hand when I am holding out my right hand? You may have sent me a great image. But how does MY mirror reflect it?

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Topic - A serious point regarding how we approach our hobby.... - tubesforever 22:48:15 09/08/06 (23)

regarding cd recordings of system - John-from Seattle 07:35:36 09/09/06 (2)

of course you can only hear the front end of my vinyl on my CDR.... - tubesforever 07:59:58 09/09/06 (1)

you would be a great guy to get high with - OMalley 10:05:30 09/09/06 (0)

O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - artemus 06:51:00 09/09/06 (12)

Re: O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - jdarby 08:24:56 09/09/06 (1)

Re: O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - artemus 09:43:47 09/09/06 (0)

Don't read in too much..... - tubesforever 08:12:30 09/09/06 (9)

"I make no judgements in this hobby." say what?!? - OMalley 10:00:09 09/09/06 (4)

I know you and John are divorcees.....you have a restraining order of being no closer than 5 states as I remember..... - tubesforever 11:32:17 09/09/06 (3)

opt out in the sense that - OMalley 15:28:21 09/09/06 (2)

I owned a Garrard 2000B with the same kind of design - tubesforever 22:57:03 09/09/06 (1)

Re: I owned a Garrard 2000B with the same kind of design - OMalley 06:25:08 09/10/06 (0)

"Inmates with high resolution systems seem to hear what I hear " - OMalley 08:30:38 09/09/06 (3)

Re: "Inmates with high resolution systems seem to hear what I hear " - sjmikeb 09:35:59 09/09/06 (2)

By high resolution I mean that my tweeters extend past 40khz. - tubesforever 11:40:18 09/09/06 (1)

Doesn't matter, at least for me - sjmikeb 17:25:48 09/09/06 (0)

Total system synergy - ddarch44 05:16:58 09/09/06 (3)

Total system synergy is vitally important, but - artemus 05:42:50 09/09/06 (2)

back and forth - OMalley 06:03:56 09/09/06 (1)

Re: back and forth - artemus 07:05:43 09/09/06 (0)

noise floor and in addition - OMalley 05:04:33 09/09/06 (0)

Re: A serious point regarding how we approach our hobby.... - browncow 01:31:51 09/09/06 (0)

flat sound - OMalley 05:12:29 09/09/06 (0)

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O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - artemus 06:51:00 09/09/06 (12)

Re: O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - jdarby 08:24:56 09/09/06 (1)

Re: O'Mally's observation is not surprising. This is why I do not understand this CDR swapping - artemus 09:43:47 09/09/06 (0)

Don't read in too much..... - tubesforever 08:12:30 09/09/06 (9)

"I make no judgements in this hobby." say what?!? - OMalley 10:00:09 09/09/06 (4)

I know you and John are divorcees.....you have a restraining order of being no closer than 5 states as I remember..... - tubesforever 11:32:17 09/09/06 (3)

opt out in the sense that - OMalley 15:28:21 09/09/06 (2)

I owned a Garrard 2000B with the same kind of design - tubesforever 22:57:03 09/09/06 (1)

Re: I owned a Garrard 2000B with the same kind of design - OMalley 06:25:08 09/10/06 (0)

"Inmates with high resolution systems seem to hear what I hear " - OMalley 08:30:38 09/09/06 (3)

Re: "Inmates with high resolution systems seem to hear what I hear " - sjmikeb 09:35:59 09/09/06 (2)

By high resolution I mean that my tweeters extend past 40khz. - tubesforever 11:40:18 09/09/06 (1)

Doesn't matter, at least for me - sjmikeb 17:25:48 09/09/06 (0)

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