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In Reply to: Funny - those aren't MY perceptions! ;-) posted by Chris from Lafayette on August 1, 2017 at 21:09:45:
How many times have you actually directly compared vinyl and digital sources that were derived from the same tape feed and not tweeked in any way by the mastering engineer? Without that any comparisons are poisoned by other variables. Not a lot of those kinds of things out there. James Boyk actually released a comparison package years ago of an LP and a CD of his recording of Pictures at an Exhibition. If you can survive the performance (sorry James if you are reading this but I don't like it) you can make this comparison with all other variables removed. There are a few other releases that do the same thing. I have seen one here at a local record shop in Hong Kong that is an everything comparison package. LP, CD SACD, hi res file and DVD-A. I think I might buy it. There's some really amazing cool stuff for music lovers/audiophiles here in Hong Kong
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Vinyl article - Ryan T 19:24:02 07/31/17 (149)
- Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 10:10:40 08/13/17 (14)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 12:41:04 08/13/17 (13)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 12:58:43 08/13/17 (12)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 13:06:48 08/13/17 (11)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 13:21:36 08/13/17 (10)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 13:34:51 08/13/17 (9)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 13:47:35 08/13/17 (8)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 13:59:05 08/13/17 (7)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 15:12:05 08/13/17 (6)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 15:45:10 08/13/17 (5)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 15:49:12 08/13/17 (4)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 15:56:25 08/13/17 (3)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 16:07:50 08/13/17 (2)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - Kingshead 16:19:41 08/13/17 (1)
- RE: Vinyl vs. Digital - The absolute final answer is... - JerryS 16:30:32 08/13/17 (0)
- RE: Vinyl article - Kingshead 06:25:53 08/06/17 (5)
- RE: Vinyl article - flood2 17:46:22 08/06/17 (3)
- RE: Vinyl article - Kingshead 18:47:36 08/06/17 (2)
- RE: Vinyl article - flood2 19:36:02 08/06/17 (1)
- RE: Vinyl article - Kingshead 20:01:24 08/06/17 (0)
- RE: Vinyl article - John Elison 17:18:53 08/06/17 (0)
- RE: Vinyl article - Ryan T 07:01:36 08/03/17 (2)
- RE: wait a minute? - Condorsat 07:29:46 08/04/17 (1)
- LOL - I only read it after the fact! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:37:42 08/04/17 (0)
- Nope, just not gonna' read that. One more 'not worth reading I already know all that' - 3+4=5 13:08:36 08/02/17 (1)
- RE: Nope, just not gonna' read that. One more 'not worth reading I already know all that' - John Elison 15:53:58 08/02/17 (0)
- Can of worms, opened. nt! - jusbe 10:11:16 08/01/17 (5)
- as a vinyl enthusiast who has an overall preference for vinyl over commercial digital sources - Analog Scott 20:38:37 08/01/17 (3)
- vinyl only would probably just be older - richardl 12:26:54 08/02/17 (2)
- RE: vinyl only would probably just be older - Analog Scott 21:27:15 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: vinyl only would probably just be older - John Elison 15:51:28 08/02/17 (0)
- Indeed! How could it be otherwise? [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:39:03 08/01/17 (0)
- Digital is inferior - TGR 09:08:33 08/01/17 (24)
- One way that digital is better - 1973shovel 07:40:09 08/03/17 (0)
- Blanket statements are inferior... - musetap 05:53:11 08/02/17 (1)
- I see what you did there. - jusbe 07:47:38 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: Digital is inferior - flood2 03:34:43 08/02/17 (0)
- XA9000ES problems - jeromelang 20:30:18 08/01/17 (0)
- Vinyl is inferior - Chris from Lafayette 09:35:37 08/01/17 (18)
- Thank you for crediting me, but... - Lew 20:54:53 08/01/17 (2)
- Oops - sorry for the mistake! - Chris from Lafayette 21:19:16 08/01/17 (1)
- "Religion is the opiate of the masses." - Lew 06:46:32 08/02/17 (0)
- Vinyl is inferior? Not really, Vinyl actually is technically superior. - Analog Scott 20:49:34 08/01/17 (10)
- Funny - those aren't MY perceptions! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 21:09:45 08/01/17 (9)
- ah but here is the catch. - Analog Scott 21:16:39 08/01/17 (8)
- RE: ah but here is the catch. - E-Stat 08:30:34 08/02/17 (0)
- Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Chris from Lafayette 21:27:06 08/01/17 (6)
- RE: Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Tre' 08:56:10 08/03/17 (3)
- James Boyk in a nutshell - Chris from Lafayette 09:28:50 08/03/17 (1)
- RE: James Boyk in a nutshell - Analog Scott 10:01:52 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Analog Scott 09:06:47 08/03/17 (0)
- well yes and no - Analog Scott 01:12:11 08/02/17 (1)
- "Variations in mastering and source tapes matter more" - Chris from Lafayette 12:26:54 08/02/17 (0)
- You're also all SS......hmm. What comprised your analog setup prior to the onset of digital mania? nt - Rick W 12:09:12 08/01/17 (3)
- BTW, not ALL SS - one of my amps is a hybrid [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 12:37:51 08/01/17 (0)
- Sold to some "lucky" buyer! ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 12:35:08 08/01/17 (1)
- Micro Seiki/Dynavector sure ain't bad. Guess going multi-channel eliminates vinyl for you anyway, eh? nt - Rick W 13:06:31 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: Vinyl article - bill_stevenson@bellsouth.net 08:07:52 08/01/17 (20)
- Curious. What digitally remastered LP's do you own that sound better the original all analog LP? - Rick W 08:24:11 08/01/17 (19)
- try the Rolling Stones LP by Abkco - Analog Scott 20:57:33 08/01/17 (1)
- No thanks. To each his own, and my own definitely does NOT include the Stones. nt - Rick W 09:00:11 08/02/17 (0)
- Brothers in Arms is a digital recording - Biff 10:42:05 08/01/17 (2)
- True, but according to Wikipedia ... - Dave Pogue 11:35:37 08/01/17 (1)
- I didn't know that. Interesting. /nt - Biff 05:14:44 08/02/17 (0)
- Not sure I have any but I do have LPs from digital sources that sound great! - volunteer 10:34:24 08/01/17 (7)
- Ok, but weren't those digital recordings to begin with (including Nightfly)? - Rick W 11:22:29 08/01/17 (2)
- The new SPLHCB surely went through some digital processing - volunteer 11:28:52 08/01/17 (1)
- I'm not anti-digital. But..... - Rick W 11:54:03 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: Not sure I have any but I do have LPs from digital sources that sound great! - Travis 10:49:23 08/01/17 (1)
- RE: Not sure I have any but I do have LPs from digital sources that sound great! - volunteer 11:06:05 08/01/17 (0)
- Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly" is a digital master. - Opus 33 1/3 10:37:54 08/01/17 (1)
- RE: Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly" is a digital master. - volunteer 10:45:21 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: Curious. What digitally remastered LP's do you own that sound better the original all analog LP? - bill_stevenson@bellsouth.net 09:52:08 08/01/17 (4)
- This will never be 'solved'. - jusbe 10:03:03 08/01/17 (3)
- RE: This will never be 'solved'. - John Elison 14:38:04 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: This will never be 'solved'. - bill_stevenson@bellsouth.net 11:25:15 08/01/17 (1)
- Fair enough. nt - jusbe 11:42:18 08/01/17 (0)
- Neither me. - jusbe 08:38:46 08/01/17 (0)
- I love digital... - John Elison 22:06:40 07/31/17 (70)
- "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - Analog Scott 21:03:25 08/01/17 (9)
- This makes sense to me. /nt - Biff 05:15:47 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - John Elison 22:21:21 08/01/17 (7)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - Kingshead 15:14:39 08/10/17 (6)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - John Elison 17:36:09 08/10/17 (5)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - Kingshead 18:28:30 08/10/17 (3)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - John Elison 21:17:18 08/10/17 (2)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - Kingshead 02:39:07 08/11/17 (1)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - John Elison 07:33:17 08/11/17 (0)
- RE: "I find that digital copies of LPs sound basically the same as vinyl" - Travis 18:18:09 08/10/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - py272 13:50:59 08/01/17 (1)
- RE: I love digital... - John Elison 14:09:50 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - vinnie2 04:39:36 08/01/17 (57)
- Wrong - Analog Scott 21:06:48 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - John Elison 14:26:26 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - PAR 05:56:51 08/01/17 (50)
- The sweet sound of convenience? - rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com 08:21:07 08/01/17 (8)
- RE: The sweet sound of convenience? - John Elison 15:33:10 08/01/17 (5)
- RE: The sweet sound of convenience? - Travis 17:55:19 08/01/17 (4)
- RE: I'm with Travis in this meandering debate... - mr.bear 15:34:45 08/02/17 (2)
- RE: I'm with Travis in this meandering debate... - John Elison 15:46:12 08/02/17 (0)
- Hallelujah! nt - Travis 15:38:15 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: The sweet sound of convenience? - John Elison 20:25:13 08/01/17 (0)
- Why address this to me? - PAR 14:46:59 08/01/17 (1)
- I think he was agreeing with you - Analog Scott 21:08:28 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - Mel 07:11:48 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: I love digital... - raya 06:38:18 08/01/17 (0)
- These arguments go nowhere... - Lew 06:37:48 08/01/17 (0)
- With that logic, - jusbe 06:33:03 08/01/17 (37)
- Speaking of logic - Analog Scott 21:11:12 08/01/17 (30)
- RE: Speaking of logic - jusbe 02:31:51 08/02/17 (29)
- You ask a good question - Analog Scott 04:20:43 08/02/17 (28)
- RE: You ask a good question - John Elison 08:23:49 08/02/17 (27)
- RE: You ask a good question - flood2 15:06:09 08/02/17 (9)
- Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - Analog Scott 21:33:46 08/02/17 (8)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - BillH 05:44:42 08/03/17 (1)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - Analog Scott 06:10:08 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - flood2 00:56:32 08/03/17 (5)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - TomWh 06:32:49 08/03/17 (3)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - Analog Scott 07:26:14 08/03/17 (2)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - TomWh 09:05:24 08/03/17 (1)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - Analog Scott 09:13:16 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: Accuracy and realism. Two of the most misguided ideas in all of audio. - Analog Scott 03:38:30 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: You ask a good question - Analog Scott 11:12:54 08/02/17 (0)
- Huh? Damn near all masters are digital, not analog. - Rick W 09:10:04 08/02/17 (15)
- RE: Huh? Damn near all masters are digital, not analog. - John Elison 09:44:30 08/02/17 (14)
- Thanks for nuthin'. - Rick W 10:09:15 08/02/17 (13)
- 99.99999% of recordings made in the last few decades is digital - Analog Scott 21:38:36 08/02/17 (10)
- Its a drop in the bucket. - Rick W 22:03:30 08/02/17 (9)
- RE: Its a drop in the bucket. - Analog Scott 22:12:23 08/02/17 (8)
- So let's see your list. - Rick W 11:20:05 08/03/17 (7)
- RE: So let's see your list. - Analog Scott 11:53:34 08/03/17 (6)
- Whoah! Those Tacet recordings are not all analog, even though they're available in vinyl - Chris from Lafayette 11:01:35 08/04/17 (2)
- From the Tacet website - Analog Scott 16:15:36 08/04/17 (1)
- Interesting - Thanks! And yes, I'm aware that there are some recordings with simultaneous mic feeds [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 21:42:27 08/04/17 (0)
- Gotta wait awhile but I'll check those out. Thanks. nt - Rick W 13:46:02 08/03/17 (2)
- Jazz is your thing? THIS!!! - Analog Scott 16:42:07 08/03/17 (1)
- RE: Although $46 plus per disc does seem on the steep side. nt - Travis 17:55:13 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: Thanks for nuthin'. - John Elison 15:37:38 08/02/17 (1)
- RE: Thanks for nuthin'. - Analog Scott 21:42:50 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: With that logic, - John Elison 09:13:07 08/01/17 (4)
- Whatever you say, John. - jusbe 09:41:40 08/01/17 (3)
- RE: Whatever you say, John. - PAR 14:59:34 08/01/17 (1)
- ...then what? - jusbe 01:56:35 08/02/17 (0)
- RE: Whatever you say, John. - John Elison 14:13:13 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: With that logic, - PAR 07:45:20 08/01/17 (0)
- Agreed. nt - jusbe 05:43:02 08/01/17 (3)
- RE: Agreed. nt - Kindablue 10:02:26 08/01/17 (2)
- RE: Agreed. nt - John Elison 14:19:00 08/01/17 (0)
- RE: Agreed. nt - blade 10:37:09 08/01/17 (0)
Follow Ups
- ah but here is the catch. - Analog Scott 21:16:39 08/01/17 (8)
- RE: ah but here is the catch. - E-Stat 08:30:34 08/02/17 (0)
- Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Chris from Lafayette 21:27:06 08/01/17 (6)
- RE: Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Tre' 08:56:10 08/03/17 (3)
- James Boyk in a nutshell - Chris from Lafayette 09:28:50 08/03/17 (1)
- RE: James Boyk in a nutshell - Analog Scott 10:01:52 08/03/17 (0)
- RE: Not a big admirer of James Boyk either - Analog Scott 09:06:47 08/03/17 (0)
- well yes and no - Analog Scott 01:12:11 08/02/17 (1)
- "Variations in mastering and source tapes matter more" - Chris from Lafayette 12:26:54 08/02/17 (0)