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Re: what?

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Posted by Trevor Wilson on December 23, 1999 at 14:45:34

In Reply to: what? posted by dave c on December 23, 1999 at 01:45:49:

Dave>
Look, you may be correct in certainpoints here, but to state "it cannot serve any other purpose' is an odd thing to say.

Trevor>
Not at all. The device provides no improvement, of any paramaters, over a modest source device. If the X-10D provided a genuinely low output impedance, then it would have a place, in SOME systems. As it is, it's only purpose, can be that of introducing distortion.

Dave>
I have owned one of these since it was first produced, bought it with a no quibble full refund option and have found it very useful in certain equipment.

Trevor>
That it may mask some faults, in some systems, is undeniable. Better that the same amount of cash be placed into better equipment, in the first place.

Dave>
What I hear being stated here is a version of the old minimum interference with the signal produces the best sound arguement.

Trevor>
Yes and, no. I am all for minimisation of signal paths, PROVIDED certain basic characteristics are not compromised. A high(ish) output impedance, can lead to all sorts of unfortunate drawbacks.

Dave>
I would call that spurious at best.

Trevor>
I call it subjective and objective observation. Don't forget: I have used one of these things, at length. It is a complete waste of time and money.

Dave>
Lets first ask why there is this outpouring of hatred?

Trevor>
The high end industry has a severe credibility problem, with mainstream engineers and the general public. It is badly specc'd products, like the X-10D, which cause this reaction. Far better to place products, such as the X-10D into their correct perpective (ie: Distortion generators), rather than claim specifications, which they are incapable of supporting. If a manufacturer lists specific specs, then that product should meet those specs (don'cha think?). If it does not, then it should be exposed, the manufactuer should issue a recall, amend it's spec sheets, whatever. Lies are lies, regardless of what you, or anyone else thinks of the product. There are a great many products, in the high end industry, which have very poor specs (SET amps, for one group), however, few manufacturers mislead their customers, to the degree that MF does. The release of the Nuvistor based amplifiers (ordinary sounding IMO) tore it for me. I could not believe the total disregard for customers, with these products. Nuvistors are obsolete devices. They will never be manufactured again. Talk to Myles. Ask him how long Nuvistors last. Then tell me how smart these products are.

Dave>
In my system of the time, the effect was to produce a deeper, slightly warmer bass and a sweeter top. I wasn't going to complain.
Were my ears lying to me to betray the holy grail of pure hifi?

Trevor>
Nope, it is more likely that the X-10D was veiling the source. This has been my point, all along.

Dave>
This is nonsense.
It seems that Trevor has the problem, not Musical Fidelity. I presume all the people who like Musical Fidelity equipment are either wrong (what would that mean?) or, in the case of reviewers, bribed (?).

Trevor>
Reviewers may, or may not have been bribed. I don't know. I do know that there are a great many incompetent reviewers, out there. They do not employ anything resembling a scientific approach, nor are they always honest. Then again, there are a few good ones. I suspect the good ones have not bothered reviewing an X-10D.

Dave>
No wonder trevor is connected to something called Rage Audio.
Rage far too loudly if you ask me.

Trevor>
Ah, if all else fails, let's try a personal attack. I'll let it slide. Please concentrate on facts, in future.

Dave>
Might I ask why you have this hatred of MF?
Me thinks the lady protesteth too much.....

Trevor>
Think what you wish. I see people falling for the advertising hooks, of this company. I find it offensive, that in high end audio, such lies are accepted. If you bought a Honda, rated at 120HP, then later found that it delivered (say) 80HP, would you be annoyed? Of course you would. Like a motor vehicle, a hi fi product, should meet it's published specs. Nothing less, is acceptable. There are many products, which are my competition, which DO meet their basic specs. It is companies, like Musical Fidelity, which are damaging the perception and faith, in high end audio.

Trevor

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