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In Reply to: RE: Freezing CDs/DVDs posted by Mark W. on August 12, 2007 at 14:22:10:
>>> "NOW how on earth can freezing these 1's and 0's change them after all if they are not a 1 or a 0 they will not be read by the device! I just want someone to explain how this could make any difference. I don't want to hear "OH but it was like a veil was removed from the music". I just want some possible explanation for a real effect.
Quote from Kmarikos:-
>>> "I understand your skepticism. I had that mentality before I decided this was easy enough to try out for myself. For my system and ears, it does make a difference. Try it out and you might be pleasantly surprised." <<<
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Why don't you just experiment for yourself Mark W - just as Kmarikos did and has suggested you do ?
If/when you hear any difference yourself, then YOU can begin to work out an explanation for yourself.
>>> "OK I'll put a CD in the freezer for what a night? And how will I be able to switch back and forth between froze and not froze to hear the diff. Since there is no way your brain can accurately remember sound well enough to hear the microscopic difference this might if at all make." <<<
Obviously, as you say, you won't be able to go back to square one after carrying out the freezing treatment. So, you do the experiment a different way. If you do not have two identical CDs so that you can keep one unfrozen as a control, then you try something different.
Everyone has a CD (or even more than one CD !) which they have never liked the sound of - and which they therefore never play. Even though they originally bought it because they liked the composer or liked the artist or liked that particular music, they have been disappointed in the sound of it ever since and therefore never play it.
More often than not, the explanation put forward as to why it did not sound good is because of 'poor recording', or 'poor mixing', or 'close miking of instruments' etc.
Find the CD. Listen to it and confirm that you still do not like the sound of it then put it through the freezing/slow defrost process then listen to it again.
If you DO hear an improvement in the sound, if you DO now enjoy it more, then the original explanations of 'poor recording', 'poor mixing', 'close miking of instruments' no longer hold water - which now means that other explanations have now to be found as to why the sound of the CD was not liked before but the CD can be listened to with much more pleasure now !!!
This is a technique which is FREE. This is not something which you are being asked to pay money for without being able to try it first. This is not medicine or pills which you have to physically ingest and therefore have to rely on substantial trials having been carried out by the pharmaceutical companies. This is something simple, easy, and free and yet, it seems, causes such a huge amount of soulsearching and argument amongst the audio fraternity.
I find it surprising how some people are not prepared to try simple experiments for themselves. In my day Professors 'rapped the knuckles' of students who wanted to know the answers before they did the experiments for themselves !!
Using a domestic deep freezer is certainly a technique which people can try for themselves and then decide whether they wish to go further with such as cryogenic treatments.
Robert Harley may have been as perplexed as you Mark W how 'freezing' CDs could have an effect on the digital information but at least he was prepared to investigate, for himself, the freezing of CDs. To quote from his October 1990 article in Stereophile :-
>>> "My fascination with CD tweaks stems not from their intrinsic abilities to improve CD sound as much as it comes from the realization that if ANY tweak has even the SLIGHTEST audible effect, conventional digital audio theory is turned upside down. More important, however, the widespread acceptance and belief in CD tweaks may make skeptical engineers LISTEN for themselves, perhaps sparking an investigation into why they work......... Furthermore, I see CD tweaks as a Rosetta Stone to an audio engineering establishment that dismisses the possibility that freezing a CD, or painting it black, or putting green paint around the edge or making it from a different material, could affect its sound. Because these treatments are considered the epitome of audiophile lunacy and because they are readily audible, some measurement-orientated scientists may, if they listen for themselves, realize that audiophiles are not always the demented mystics they are often accused of being." <<<
Regards,
May Belt.
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Follow Ups
- RE: Freezing CDs/DVDs - May Belt 04:29:15 08/13/07 (1)
- "This is a technique which is FREE." And still they balk. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:14:44 08/13/07 (0)
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