I'm not sure we're disagreeing except on perspective taken.

Posted by Kurt Strain on July 27, 2002 at 15:23:56

In Reply to: Some things we might agree on posted by john dem on July 27, 2002 at 14:08:22:

You're looking at the system approach, and look toward what is showing up in state-of-the-art examples. That's what I also do, sometimes. But then that's not an "in general" statement anymore about what on average you can expect to get for your money. That's a "where has this approach ultimately taken us, no-holds-barred" statement. Even still, I think the ultimates in any of those approaches lead to very similar conclusions about how they sound, but not what is preferred. SETs still need the right speaker which ultimately provides a list of advantages and disadvantages when properly paired. OTLs still need their right speaker and have a different set of advantages/disadvantages. PP pentodes and solid state comes in again with their best solutions for some speakers which again has other sets of advantages/disadvatages. And the combinations are nearly infinite, but there is a pattern many have noticed. What is the best sound now possible is the preference that most disagree on, but how they sound is more agreed on even though it's subjective. It's like taste preference for Coke or Pepsi on the ultimate cola, but if polled you can see there's a pattern that people perceive Pepsi as sweeter, or is it the other way around? :-)

No approach has removed their amp from the chain as being unheard. Some are very close, and even if there is a perfect "blameless" amp, the rest of the system is not, and why not help fix their problems with an amp that touches it up the way we think makes it better? It's even possible to reduce system distortion by adding inverse distortion effects from the amp.

I'm still working on why do PP amps in general flatten the soundstage and widen it compared to SET amps. Happens all the time. But then direct radiators image deeper than horns, and so the high power PP amps with DR speakers can ultimately have a bigger performance envelope there. If done carefully, DR speakers with SETs image the furthest in depth, but not width. Then you re-direct the speakers for more width, but then is the soundstage envelope any bigger? But I think I shall relieve myself of this burden on my brain for now. This is where you come in and say "these methods are different, but similar enough that it just doesn't matter which way you go." True, but I have seen generalizations work out and.....

Kurt

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guitar amps - steven oda 11:07:24 07/27/02 (0)

Which PP pentode amps sound like solid state ? - john dem 08:07:18 07/26/02 (12)

Re: Which PP pentode amps sound like solid state ? - Oscillatus 20:27:12 07/26/02 (11)

Why do you think your prejudices are helpful ? - john dem 21:49:19 07/26/02 (2)

Gee, I thought this forum was moderated. - Oscillatus 00:18:56 07/27/02 (1)

Have you ever been fired from a Shinola factory ? - john dem 11:38:15 07/27/02 (0)

Re: Which PP pentode amps sound like solid state ? - Kurt Strain 21:14:18 07/26/02 (7)

Re: Which PP pentode amps sound like solid state ? - john dem 22:21:03 07/26/02 (6)

Let me respond to the original posting, and you can still disagree if you want. - Kurt Strain 11:03:28 07/27/02 (3)

Hmmm.... - Oscillatus 17:19:24 07/27/02 (0)

Some things we might agree on - john dem 14:08:22 07/27/02 (1)

I'm not sure we're disagreeing except on perspective taken. - Kurt Strain 15:23:56 07/27/02 (0)

Well, if PP sounds like SS, I have been screwed for years... - Robert H. 07:07:58 07/27/02 (1)

Sorry, I am not inclined to react to your flaming. <nt> - Oscillatus 07:11:31 07/27/02 (0)

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