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Re: Auralex GRAMMA Sound Isolation Riser (Subdude) Speaker Stands

Posted by SmokeTest (A) on June 7, 2005 at 01:55:08

In Reply to: Auralex GRAMMA Sound Isolation Riser (Subdude) Speaker Stands posted by ronin524 on June 5, 2005 at 15:13:56:

Sorry, I can't resist being cute. Here goes.
In my review I report: "You would expect bass definition to improve, but brass, CYMBALS, voices, spatial imaging, clarity, and more are all signifigantly better." [Capitals added]

In ronin's reply he states:
"I disagree with your review.
I have two of them under a subwoofer.
They do nothing at all to reduce or decouple floor vibration...."

So, ronin, you are in effect saying that based on your experience with this product with a subwoofer I could not have heard an improvement in cymbals? Hmmm...what brand of subwoofer do you have that reproduces cymbals?
(sorry, I'll behave now)

Of course, ronin524 is only doing what we ALL do at times, which is take one experience and make it a general rule. (Doh!, I just did it myself!). But, reality has a way of being much more complicated. I'm betting that a very high percent of statements on the asylum here like this: "I found this product/tweak did A but not B", are followed by a post that says, "Nope, I hear B but not A." Advice here on dealing with hardwood floors, for example, is a. use spikes not squishy things, or b. use squishy things not spikes.

I think what is going on to result in such contradictory reports is that in real-world applications there are a wide variety of variables in the environment. One or more of these variables, such as source material, associated equipment etc., room response, electrical current quality, and the list goes on, may be such a dominant factor that little else matters.

"You can never do merely one thing." Garret Hardin

ronin may have a severe floor resonance unique to his room and placement that this product is insufficent to dampen, (or maybe he's just playing them at headbanger 130db) but the product may work fine in other applications. He reports using a subwoofer; I report my experience with a 2 way that goes down to the low 30hz region.

Another possibility is perceptual differences: people have different hearing acuity, some have perfect pitch, some are tone deaf. There are mental processing differences in hearing: non-audiophiles are often amazed when presented with a realistic soundstage, which we may take for granted. Intellectually I want to be in the PRAT camp but love great soundstaging when it is there and miss it when it isn't. Some of the best enjoyment I had from recorded music was when I was a teenager playing records on an RCA "suitcase" style system. (Well, it BT-before transistors). We often listen for a particular aspect of sound, while ignoring others. You might call it an agenda.

Conclusion: as I said, YMMV. Sometimes the only way to tell if something works *for you* is to try it. Well, maybe not if there was universal praise or condemnation, but how often do we see that around here? Depending on your attitude it can be fun or drive you nuts. Or both.

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