Re: WHAT ???????

Posted by Bombaywalla (A) on May 29, 2003 at 07:42:57

In Reply to: WHAT ??????? posted by Omega14:6 on May 28, 2003 at 19:44:45:

Omega14:6

yes, the 604S2 has limited 2-ch capability. I think I cited more negative points on this speaker than positive. However, this does not mean that it's sound is bad by any means.

Let me tell you - I heard the CDM7SE & the CDM9NT over a long period. I heard the CDM9NT atleast twice since the store was 1 mile down the street from me. BOTH SPEAKERS SUCKED!! And they sucked wind BIG TIME! Maybe it was the fault of the dealer i.e. he didn't break them in long enough. The break-in question was the 1st I asked him & he re-assured me that they were broken in. Either he was lieing or he didn't know his stuff. The pair of CDM9NT that I heard was one of the worst B&W speakers I heard. I tried very hard to like them but couldn't. So, I'll stand by my written text.

The N804 is a much better speaker, I agree. I simply listed the speakers I heard. I THINK you inferred that I chose the 604S2 over the N804 because of the 604S2 sound superiority. NO! Wrong guess by you! I chose the DM604S2 because of my budget constraint. If I had the money then I would have bought the N804. I fell in love w/ it the moment the 1st note emanted from it. But, it was too much for my wallet! Right about the time I was audtioning these speakers, B&W was changing the CDM line - removing the SE series & replacing them w/ the NT series. I waited for that to happen & then went to hear the CDM9NT. I prefered the 604S2 over the 9NT.

I also heard the Martin-Logans several times. I didn't note the model names (& I should have!). I heard them at 2 diff. stores. I HATED THEM! They sounded disconnected to me. The electrostatic panel was really fantastic - midrange was hauntingly real & it was fast. However, the bass unit was totally disconnected from the panel sound-wise! The transition from panel to woofer & back was one of the worst that I have heard. These M-L speakers were the ones I could afford - in the $1995/pair price range - it was the narrowest panel. I tried the next wider panel - same disconnection. The ONLY M-L that blew my socks off was "The Statement". This speaker was demo'd to me by Gayle Martin Sanders himself. He brought a bunch of his people to set it up @ the store. This was when the speaker was 1st launched. Many things must have worked in favour of an excellent review - somebody very knowledgable set it up, top line Krell electronics, room treatments & most importantly, this speaker seemed to be designed correctly in that the xover problem of panel<--->woofer was solved. Dynamite sound! Dynamite price too!

Yes, you are accurate in saying that the 604S2 has the Nautilus technology & not the N. tweeter itself. Same w/ the biwire - it is standard, yes. My oversight. Objections sustained!

Recently, I've had the opportunity to listen to some custom built speakers that use SEAS Excel drivers, to Piega C3 Limited & C10 Limited. In all 3 cases I prefer my 604S2. The 3 speakers I mention all have ribbon tweeters. I'm not a big fan of ribbon tweeters - too laid back for me + too much high freq. roll-off. I prefer the immediate sound of my 604S2 - it tends to involve me in the music much more.

I'm also quite sure that the electronics driving the 604S2 makes a lot of diff. I have very good electronics & lots of clean power amplification. This is helping my case. I know this 'cuz I used to drive the speakers w/ my Harmon-Kardon integrated & it sounded nowhere near as good as it does now w/ my mono blocks. I also forgot to write in my review that my room is treated w/ ASC tube traps. These traps have done wonders to improve the overall sound - mostly removed the mid-bass boom I had. My friend & I measured my room using his TacT unit & after we compensated for the microphone characteristic, my room has a flat freq. response from 1K to 20K. Vocals are hauntingly real. If you live in north-central N.C., I invite you to come over & listen for yourself. Email me off-line if you are interested.

I stand by my review. If there is a way I will make changes to the 2 points you correctly made.

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Follow Ups Full Thread

Topic - REVIEW: B&W DM 604 S2 Speakers - Bombaywalla 10:26:19 05/28/03 (38)

B&W DM 604 S2 Speakers - Brad V 09:12:09 05/30/03 (1)

Re: B&W DM 604 S2 Speakers - Bombaywalla 09:53:23 05/30/03 (0)

Good Job, nice review. - BrassMonkey 13:45:14 05/29/03 (1)

Re: Good Job, nice review. - Bombaywalla 15:20:34 05/29/03 (0)

Are you write very good but it's joke, right? - Oz K 02:14:54 05/29/03 (6)

Re: Are you write very good but it's joke, right? - Cooper 08:11:32 05/29/03 (1)

Re: Are you write very good but it's joke, right? - Bombaywalla 08:39:23 05/29/03 (0)

Re: Are you write very good but it's joke, right? - Bombaywalla 06:45:05 05/29/03 (3)

I can vouch for one thing. . . - ECizgod 12:05:21 05/30/03 (0)

604 S2 - Oz K 00:33:23 05/30/03 (0)

Re: I love B&W.... - Omega14:6 12:54:20 05/29/03 (0)

WHAT ??????? - Omega14:6 19:44:45 05/28/03 (26)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Bombaywalla 07:42:57 05/29/03 (2)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Mit07 07:18:31 05/30/03 (1)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Bombaywalla 09:25:40 05/30/03 (0)

Come on now... - ducati 06:35:07 05/29/03 (12)

All in the word "similar" - hoxuanduc 11:39:13 05/29/03 (10)

Two Clarifications - Brad V 08:46:19 05/30/03 (5)

Re: Two Clarifications - Bombaywalla 09:28:45 05/30/03 (4)

You don't owe anyone any clarifications or apologies. Great review! (nt) - mac 18:23:22 05/30/03 (3)

Re: Yes he does.........Lets scrap the review section then and call it Subjective Tests........ - Omega14:6 05:59:32 05/31/03 (2)

Re: Yes he does.........Lets scrap the review section then and call it Subjective Tests........ - Bombaywalla 07:46:07 06/01/03 (1)

Re: I agree lets drop it. - Omega14:6 09:53:44 06/01/03 (0)

Re: All in the word "similar" - Bombaywalla 12:46:54 05/29/03 (1)

Thank you for the follow up... - hoxuanduc 13:39:10 05/29/03 (0)

What would you call them? - ducati 11:51:33 05/29/03 (1)

Sorry, the post is indeed intended for the original poster... - hoxuanduc 12:37:30 05/29/03 (0)

Re: Come on now... - Bombaywalla 07:35:37 05/29/03 (0)

Re: WHAT ??????? - MusicFromHorns 21:00:39 05/28/03 (5)

Absolutely - E-Stat 14:40:37 05/29/03 (2)

Re: Absolutely - MusicFromHorns 18:10:43 05/29/03 (1)

Well I guess that says it all - E-Stat 05:07:17 05/30/03 (0)

So you listen to music in 30-second samples??? - hoxuanduc 11:44:55 05/29/03 (1)

Re: So you listen to music in 30-second samples??? - MusicFromHorns 13:43:45 05/29/03 (0)

Re: WHAT ??????? - foof 20:57:27 05/28/03 (3)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Bombaywalla 07:38:38 05/29/03 (0)

Re: Cables do make a difference - Omega14:6 05:20:54 05/29/03 (1)

Cables do make really a difference! right!!! - Oz K 06:01:00 05/29/03 (0)

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Re: WHAT ??????? - Bombaywalla 07:42:57 05/29/03 (2)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Mit07 07:18:31 05/30/03 (1)

Re: WHAT ??????? - Bombaywalla 09:25:40 05/30/03 (0)

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