Re: Turntable Hype

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Posted by Dan Bonhomme on September 14, 1999 at 09:24:18

In Reply to: Re: Turntable Hype posted by Pat D on September 13, 1999 at 16:52:21:

No, Pat, I'm not trying to play "my system is better than yours". I'm merely trying to understand why you might have the opinion that CD sounds better. This a very common opinion among the general public but an uncommon opinion among audiophiles. My opinion is that the public sees CD as having better sound because they upgraded from a $150 TT and abused records to a $150 CDP. At that level, I prefer CD too. At any audiophile price level, I prefer LP sound (as long as the LP is in good condition).

I've heard it over and over again in our audio club. We'd be listening to CD's through someone's system, then switch over to LP. The difference, regardless of software, was always a relief. Yes, a relief, because what we assembled to hear was music, and what a good TT system gives you is great music. The systems in the club varied from Rega Planar 3/Rega Planet, to high level Micromega separates/Roksan TMS, and several points in between. Everyone's turntable sounded better than his CDP and was not considered contentious in any way.

Pat wrote << Now, let's see, someone is going to jump in and complain that this would not have sufficient "resolution," a nice optical image. Then, of course, I read another post, which I can't find, which says that all one has to do is find a decent $500 turntable and cartridge combination to blow away any CDP (that would be like the UHF position, wouldn't it?). >>

Well, your old system was severely lacking in the resolution department wasn't it? ;~) I believe UHF's current position is that state-of-the-art LP and CD systems are quite evenly matched but they've tested a lot of CDP's they didn't like. Regarding the archived statement that a $500 TT beats any CDP, I'd have to hear that myself. I don't agree, although it may have been true early in the CD life cycle.

Frankly Pat, I think you have a problem in your turtable setup. How old is the stylus on the F9E? Nice cartridge, but I believe it's been out of production for over a decade. Does your tonearm have adjustable VTA? If not is the cartridge at least level? VTA and stylus shape have a lot to do with surface noise prominence. Elliptical styli are noisier in the groove than exotic shapes. Do you use a protractor and test record to optimize your cartridge settings? I'm not familiar with your table, but I'm not a fan of direct-drives. OTOH, some audiophiles liked the better Denons.

IMO, you have a lovely system that is in bad need of a high resolution source. Perhaps DVD-A or SACD will show you what you're missing.

Dan

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Re: Turntable Hype - Pat D 18:18:52 09/11/99 (11)

Re: Turntable Hype - Phil Sieg 08:18:38 09/12/99 (10)

Re: Turntable Hype - Dan Bonhomme 07:15:08 09/13/99 (9)

Re: Turntable Hype - Pat D 16:52:21 09/13/99 (8)

Re: Turntable Hype - Dan Bonhomme 09:24:18 09/14/99 (1)

Re: Turntable Hype - Pat D 15:24:18 09/14/99 (0)

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Re: Turntable Hype - Pat D 16:05:13 09/14/99 (3)

Have it your way... - Phil Sieg 18:37:08 09/14/99 (2)

Re: Have it your way... - Rob 04:11:47 09/15/99 (1)

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If you don't hear... - Phil Sieg 13:50:45 09/10/99 (10)

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Re: If you don't hear... - Rob 16:34:05 09/12/99 (2)

Re: If you don't hear... - Oakroot 23:24:16 09/13/99 (1)

Re: If you don't hear... - Rob 01:03:47 09/14/99 (0)

Echo: show me the LPs! - Rob 15:47:49 09/10/99 (4)

Re: Echo: show me the LPs! - Rob 16:51:30 09/10/99 (3)

Re: Echo: show me the LPs! - Zeff 17:01:21 09/12/99 (2)

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