In Reply to: RE: "The personality is in the music" posted by Rick W on January 7, 2017 at 21:52:57:
The question is: what "value add" does the conductor provide just by being there? I think you're possibly exaggerating what I wrote about Kertesz set: I said it sounded A BIT anonymous - I didn't say it was completely bland or lame, although I'll say again that, to my ears, it does have less of a point of view than the Neumann digital recordings (or, in the New World, the Fricsay, Ancerl, Klemperer, Reiner, Paray, Giulini, Harnoncourt, etc., recordings) do. I owned some (not all) of the Kertesz recordings back in my LP days, and then got the complete Kertesz set on CD sometime in the 90's (since jettisoned), and I still have the Kertesz "The Originals" disc of symphonies 8 and 9 - so it's not as if I haven't kept in touch with these performances.And, BTW, there IS a Czech conductor whose Dvorak performances I've considered similarly anodyne to the Kertesz performances, and that's Belohlavek. I haven't heard his new set of the Dvorak symphonies (just released last year, I think), but his earlier Dvorak performances had what I consider a similarly weak profile to the Kertesz performances. And yet. . . Ivan Moravec spoke very highly to me of Belohlavek, and I've been told that the Detroit Symphony members loved working with him - probably similar to the respect that the Cleveland Orchestra members had for Kertesz (per pbarach's post below). So there you go: de gustibus and all that.
Edits: 01/08/17 01/08/17
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- The point is not that an orchestra couldn't play without a conductor in charge - Chris from Lafayette 00:34:25 01/08/17 (16)
- Kind of a general response. - Rick W 09:04:28 01/08/17 (15)
- RE: Kind of a general response. - Old Listener 10:54:57 01/08/17 (10)
- I see a list like yours, and I think. . . - Chris from Lafayette 16:53:43 01/08/17 (9)
- RE: I see a list like yours, and I think. . . - Old Listener 08:41:50 01/09/17 (7)
- Excellent idea - Chris from Lafayette 01:10:32 01/10/17 (6)
- RE: Excellent idea - Old Listener 23:25:08 01/10/17 (2)
- RE: Excellent idea - Chris from Lafayette 01:12:19 01/11/17 (1)
- RE: Excellent idea - Old Listener 07:17:20 01/11/17 (0)
- RE: Excellent idea - johngladneyproffitt 11:14:40 01/10/17 (2)
- Excelent recording.... - Ivan303 16:12:59 01/10/17 (0)
- Yes - Thanks, John - I haven't gotten around to that Bosch cycle yet - Chris from Lafayette 12:11:34 01/10/17 (0)
- RE: " but music making just didn't stop in the 70's" - Ivan303 20:47:44 01/08/17 (0)
- Rick - I don't disagree with your post, but see my post above ("There's a bit of arrogance. . . ") - Chris from Lafayette 09:44:25 01/08/17 (3)
- Part of it us one's upbringing. - rbolaw 14:35:22 01/08/17 (2)
- Understood - no problem with that [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 16:38:09 01/08/17 (1)
- But having said all that - rbolaw 18:40:58 01/08/17 (0)