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In Reply to: I will give it another go posted by Analog Scott on September 7, 2021 at 09:55:44:
"Did you ever take a listen to the Yuja Wang Rach III Prok II recording to check for pitch control?"
I hope you're not referring to the recording with Gustavo Dudamel and the (now defunct) Simon Bolivar Youth Symphony Orchestra...... The problem isn't pitch correction (Auto-Tune).... The problem is the performances with that orchestra were "fabricated" in a lot of ways...... Namely taking "time-stretched" or "time compressed" recordings of performances of other orchestras. (The performance of the Beethoven 7 on Deutsche Grammophon CD, three of the four movements were taken from the Szell/Cleveland performance. See this AA post.)
I personally think the Simon Bolivar Youth Symphony Orchestra was the "Joyce Hatto" of symphony orchestras. (I later came to the realization that Dudamel was the real deal.... But not the youth orchestra that he once conducted.)
I would not trust any recording engineer or producer who put out anything by the Simon Bolivar Youth Symphony Orchestra..... Regardless of who conducted it or who performed with it. (I'm sure Yuja Wang has performed and recorded these concertos with other symphony orchestras, I'd rather listen to those performances.)
It is a tragedy that the orchestra (and "El Sistema") completely collapsed when leader Nicolas Maduro and his socialist party assumed absolute power in Venezuela..... (Some of the musicians may have been killed or incarcerated..... ) We can only talk about it in the "past tense."
Saying that, there is *one* genuine, un-doctored performance by the Simon Bolivar Youth Symphony Orchestra on YouTube.... A former conductor has a channel, and uploaded the video (link to final movement of Mendelssohn Four) of him conducting it..... (The name of the channel was changed. Most of the uploads are of Samuel Boruszko conducting various orchestras.) Kind of shocked that it was never taken down..... Only because it reveals how the Simon Bolivar Youth Symphony Orchestra *really* sounded like.
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Follow Ups
- RE: I will give it another go - Todd Krieger 15:38:22 09/07/21 (23)
- Oh dear, Todd - I was hoping you had moved on from. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:30:11 09/10/21 (7)
- RE: Oh dear, Todd - I was hoping you had moved on from. . . - Todd Krieger 02:57:43 09/12/21 (6)
- I am truly baffled by your suspicions regarding the Simon Bolivar Orchestra - Analog Scott 07:13:03 09/12/21 (5)
- RE: I am truly baffled by your suspicions regarding the Simon Bolivar Orchestra - Todd Krieger 19:56:07 09/13/21 (1)
- No, just two - Analog Scott 02:16:45 09/14/21 (0)
- Must be a Deeeeeeeep Fake! - Sibelius 10:00:00 09/12/21 (2)
- New depths of deep fake - Analog Scott 11:07:21 09/12/21 (1)
- RE: New depths of deep fake - Sibelius 11:20:31 09/12/21 (0)
- one other thing.That link... - Analog Scott 19:24:18 09/07/21 (1)
- RE: one other thing.That link... - Todd Krieger 22:44:08 09/07/21 (0)
- yes I was refering to that one. You are kidding I hope? - Analog Scott 19:09:33 09/07/21 (12)
- Listening to Rach Concerto Three......... - Todd Krieger 14:47:20 09/09/21 (8)
- Here is what Stephan told me by email - Analog Scott 16:52:32 09/09/21 (7)
- RE: Here is what Stephan told me by email - Todd Krieger 20:28:53 09/09/21 (6)
- I don't know why you brought up "pitch" in the first place, in reference to this particular album - Analog Scott 23:33:46 09/09/21 (5)
- RE: I don't know why you brought up "pitch" in the first place, in reference to this particular album - Todd Krieger 00:23:29 09/10/21 (4)
- RE: I don't know why you brought up "pitch" in the first place, in reference to this particular album - Analog Scott 05:17:51 09/10/21 (3)
- RE: I don't know why you brought up "pitch" in the first place, in reference to this particular album - Todd Krieger 06:17:57 09/10/21 (2)
- no real close ties to The Simon Bolivar Orchestra - Analog Scott 09:14:05 09/10/21 (1)
- Got It...... - Todd Krieger 01:25:43 09/12/21 (0)
- RE: yes I was refering to that one. You are kidding I hope? - Todd Krieger 22:40:06 09/07/21 (2)
- RE: yes I was refering to that one. You are kidding I hope? - Todd Krieger 23:30:44 09/07/21 (1)
- RE: yes I was refering to that one. You are kidding I hope? - Todd Krieger 22:26:24 09/08/21 (0)