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hmm, i think of myself as "woke" but your idea of woke and mine are quite different


"If one remarks on the heavy preponderance of African-American champions in track and field running events (especially, but not restricted to sprint ones) by saying, "Yes, they are so athletic--- such natural talent," that comment appears to be "innocent." Can you understand why it would offend Black people?"

Yes I can. But if you are equating this with Chris's comment about hard working Asians I think perhaps you don't actually understand the issue.

Stereotyping any race in this manner is a form of eugenics. Whether it seems complimentary or not. The same people who actually believe this idea of physical superiority (proven quite conclusively not to be true) easily slide into negtive stereotypes. They are better athletes but not as smart and naturally lazy. A common stereotype of black people based on the idea that it is genetic.

But when one says that Asians are hard working that is much more of a cultural stereotype and one that is not demeaning or destructive. You have to come up with some pretty convoluted logic to turn a cultural virtue into a negative. And if that is what being woke is all about then no thank you

I thought woke was coming to grips with the fact that the ill effects of racism and mysogeny are not limited to overt examples and that we need to pay more attention to things like bias effects and long standing systemic institutions that unwittingly perpetuate inequalities. And most of all hold people accountable.

But if we can not acknowldege and even celebrate cultural differences then we really aren't in favor of true diveristy.

Belgians really do make better chocolate. It's not insulting to Belgians to say that. Quite the opposite. Same for Kiwi Rugby players, Dominican Republic baseball players etc etc.

Stereotyping by the way is destructive when assumptions are made about individuals based on the stereotype rather than the merits of the individual.

There are real cultural differences in this world and IMO they should be celebrated and respected. But every individual deserves to be treated as an individual not as a stereotype.

Do you see the difference?

Now let's get back to arguing about ****ing piano technique!!



Edits: 08/29/21

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