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This is in regards to the disagreement I have with Todd over technique and form of several pianists of note. As I had said before, I am not an expert on proper form at the keyboards but I do know a few things about it.
So I reached out to a friend who is a professional pianist and was/is (not sure if they are still there) an Instructor of piano at Juliard. Pretty confident this person who shall remain nameless knows a lot about piano form.
The opinions expressed were in some ways a bit surprising
So this is what was said in response to Todd's assertions
Todd stated: "Lang Lang is what I would call a "key slapper"...... He "slaps" the keys to create "dynamics".... (This is a trait of a lot of well-known pianists- Yuja Wang, Valentina Lisitsa, Kissin, and others also do this to varying degrees.... ) It produces a "piano roll" type of sound from the instrument..... It sounds "monotone" (where the better pianists strike the keys in a variety of "controlled" ways to create "tonal color" and dynamic shadings.... ) The articulation and timing become sloppy, and the dynamic control just isn't there..... The "sound" remains the same with different works and composers..... From my perspective, it tends to make the music "boring"..... (Note that others might like this style of playing.... Not everybody likes the same types of performance. And yet others might disagree that it is a questionable playing form.)
Lang Lang has performed a boatload of works, but there is nothing he's performed (aside from Gerswhin's Rhapsody in Blue, which tends to be forgiving to this type of playing), that has really impressed me."
This was the response.
"I agree with all of that! His (Lang Lang) technique is a bit strange but aside from his weird key slapping thing, there's no denying that his general facility at the keyboard is in the top .0001 of all pianists alive, Yuja Wang being two steps above that.
If anything about Lang Lang, it's just his absolute tastelessness in all things life and musical that turns the majority of the public away. I like to compare him to Anakin Skywalker: blessed with an insane amount of talent but always using his powers for evil."
My response:
"Interesting. You would put of Yuja Wang and Evgeny Kissin in the same catagory of key slapper?"
Their response:
"Oh no no no absolutely not! They are the real deal and neither of them EVER slap the keys in that weird ass way that he (Lang Lang) does
Sometimes I think he does that shit for show like a monkey. If you watch his old videos from when he was a Curtis student, he doesn't do that.
It seems to be like some weird trait he developed through fame
Yuja Wang is in a league of her own. She is the Simone Biles of piano. There isn't a soul on earth who comes even miles away from the natural gift she was born with. That's not an exaggeration at all.
If I were to take an excerpt of one minute of music and give myself two years of practicing JUST that one minute of music and do NOTHING but that, it still wouldn't come close to what she is able to do in about thirty seconds flat
That kind of talent is one in a Google plex. We will never see another pianist like her
It's not possible"
This should make for an interesting discussion... As some of you know, Yuja is a personal friend of mine but I have always felt she was in a league of her own as a pianist. It was interesting to see a true expert offer their opinions on the subject.
By the way, I want to apologize to Todd for some of the comments I made when I thought he was quoting someone else. I would not have been so aggessive in my disagreement had I known he was speaking for himself. All the quotation marks threw me. I meant no disrespect towards Todd.
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Topic - I just had a conversation with a Juliard instructor on "key slappers" - Analog Scott 06:28:25 08/29/21 (56)
- Must the velocity of a "slap" affect the felicity of a fingertip ? - peppy m. 16:24:37 09/07/21 (2)
- All that really counts is.. - Analog Scott 08:21:21 09/14/21 (1)
- Yeah. That's why some guess that the "slapping" routine is all for show. - peppy m. 10:40:14 09/14/21 (0)
- RE: I just had a conversation with a Juliard instructor on "key slappers" - dgaapc7 08:40:37 08/30/21 (0)
- ell this surprised me. I thought the argument would be about Yuja Wang being a once in a lifetime talent - Analog Scott 13:28:58 08/29/21 (20)
- yuja's talent - DrChaos 13:43:33 08/30/21 (14)
- interpretation is very subjective - Analog Scott 19:34:32 08/30/21 (13)
- RE: interpretation is very subjective - Todd Krieger 22:05:06 08/31/21 (12)
- who exactly do you think is mediocre? - DrChaos 10:23:48 09/01/21 (4)
- RE: who exactly do you think is mediocre? - Todd Krieger 13:57:41 09/01/21 (0)
- RE: who exactly do you think is mediocre? - richardl 10:58:32 09/01/21 (2)
- RE: who exactly do you think is mediocre? - Todd Krieger 14:26:15 09/01/21 (1)
- RE: who exactly do you think is mediocre? - Zarlino 18:03:55 09/01/21 (0)
- would you like to do some blind comparisons? - Analog Scott 08:12:36 09/01/21 (5)
- RE: would you like to do some blind comparisons? - Todd Krieger 13:50:22 09/01/21 (4)
- Cool. I will set some up - Analog Scott 19:20:04 09/01/21 (3)
- RE: Cool. I will set some up - Todd Krieger 08:00:47 09/02/21 (2)
- I certainly will if I can - Analog Scott 16:21:45 09/02/21 (1)
- COVID Worries...... - Todd Krieger 00:45:17 09/04/21 (0)
- Funny, Todd - Chris from Lafayette 00:20:26 09/01/21 (0)
- Then 'tin' stepped in... - Ivan303 18:56:07 08/29/21 (0)
- It turned "edgy," with a touch of apocalyptia, but didn't slip farther into lecherous territory at least. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 14:33:12 08/29/21 (3)
- Ah! Now I think I see what you've been getting at! - Chris from Lafayette 20:49:15 08/29/21 (1)
- Bases are full! : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:53:50 08/29/21 (0)
- Oops: **further** not farther. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 15:33:28 08/29/21 (0)
- Juilliard n/t - Mel 11:53:49 08/29/21 (1)
- Juilliard correct - Analog Scott 12:32:56 08/29/21 (0)
- Lang Lang puts butts into seats, sells a lot of music. Classical music needs him. nt - tinear 08:04:50 08/29/21 (28)
- Your post is off topic - Analog Scott 08:13:53 08/29/21 (27)
- Lang Lang's technique and form, - tinear 08:19:05 08/29/21 (26)
- That particular comment may have been a tad myopic - Analog Scott 08:28:35 08/29/21 (25)
- Is the market shrinking for classical music? Do younger people view it as - tinear 09:29:02 08/29/21 (24)
- Three Mahler 8th releases in two months. Someone has faith somewhere. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 10:14:45 09/01/21 (0)
- RE: Is the market shrinking for classical music? Do younger people view it as - blakey 10:51:44 08/29/21 (5)
- RE: Is the market shrinking for classical music? Do younger people view it as - B. Scarpia 05:44:46 08/30/21 (0)
- I sincerely hope you're right about the widening popularity. In this country, - tinear 12:34:40 08/29/21 (2)
- "I am concerned about the viability of live concerts and venues" - Chris from Lafayette 12:40:19 08/29/21 (1)
- Ouch, that hurts. You can be a mean guy! - tinear 12:51:42 08/29/21 (0)
- doing OK in America too - Analog Scott 11:08:57 08/29/21 (0)
- RE: Is the market shrinking for classical music? Do younger people view it as - Todd Krieger 10:33:46 08/29/21 (15)
- You need to get our more, read different viewpoints. nt - tinear 12:35:58 08/29/21 (14)
- RE: You need to get our more, read different viewpoints. nt - Todd Krieger 00:41:41 08/30/21 (2)
- Try "Google" with "Is classical music a white music?" It is quite obvious, - tinear 14:09:27 08/30/21 (1)
- Me Thinks..... - Todd Krieger 21:26:15 08/30/21 (0)
- Oh! The irony! - AA's own Mr. Know-It-All has spoken. - Chris from Lafayette 12:43:18 08/29/21 (10)
- "Look in this, sir, it's called... a mirror!" - tinear 12:56:36 08/29/21 (9)
- And now you've reached the pinnacle of playground rhetoric - Chris from Lafayette 13:08:59 08/29/21 (8)
- "Mr. Know-it-all, otoh, is a mark of mature communication. It also is a - tinear 13:24:16 08/29/21 (7)
- Hey, tin - if the shoe fits. . . [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 14:20:56 08/29/21 (6)
- Yet another cliché! And even an example of the "you are!" nt - tinear 14:00:16 08/30/21 (4)
- Ah! Back for another round today - that's the spirit! - Chris from Lafayette 14:16:59 08/30/21 (3)
- One can lead a whore to water, but one can't make it think. :-) - tinear 15:22:25 08/30/21 (2)
- Yes - the smiley face IS a nice touch! - Chris from Lafayette 16:51:13 08/30/21 (1)
- Using sexist, racist terms... that's not mean 'cause you use a smiley! - tinear 14:48:46 09/07/21 (0)
- Pssst Chris, he's not worth your time... - TWB 23:03:15 08/29/21 (0)
- Again, way off topic but - Analog Scott 09:36:42 08/29/21 (0)