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In Reply to: How much did Black American music influence 20th century "classical" music? posted by tinear on August 28, 2021 at 08:36:03:
Talk about problematic!
I guess this title was SO problematic that our workesters these days have now insisted that its title be changed to "Le petit noir"!
Just staying with Debussy, let's consider some of his other pieces which were influenced by the music of other cultures: like the first of the orchestral Nocturnes (Nuages, whose second theme is one which can be played only on the black keys of the piano), or the first piece of his piano suite, Estampes. Beyond Debussy, we could consider Ravel in his Ma mere l'Oye, and the section entitled Laideronnette, imperatrice des pagodes. Considering further, we might mention Puccini's Turandot, as well as composers like Alexander Tcherpnin, Lou Harrison, Henry Cowell (who used to live in Menlo Park, California), Grechaninov (whose arrangements of Asian tunes bear a striking similarity to the themes in Stravinsky's Rite of Spring!), and Bartok. But why would we consider all this? Could it be that some listeners are simply ignorant of these developments? I'm just asking the question.
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Follow Ups
- You forgot Debussy's "Le petit negre" - Chris from Lafayette 12:50:33 08/28/21 (35)
- and recall the overwhelming influence on Impressionism... - oldvinyl 18:53:29 08/28/21 (3)
- Very true, and let's not forget the astounding impact African masks and other - tinear 06:16:12 08/29/21 (2)
- clean up on Classical aisle...-. - oldvinyl 08:33:46 08/29/21 (1)
- Just widening the aisle, no clean up needed. "Impressionism:" - tinear 09:58:13 08/29/21 (0)
- Why would one use a slur, Chris? Whom is hurt by using - tinear 15:20:04 08/28/21 (30)
- "Whom is hurt" - Ungrammatical - Ferrous Oxide 21:34:17 08/30/21 (0)
- So I see you "cut and ran" with your previous (deleted) post - Chris from Lafayette 15:51:02 08/28/21 (28)
- I see you ignoring Black music achievement, the original post, and leading your - tinear 05:57:51 08/29/21 (15)
- Debussy's actual title for HIS OWN piece: Le petit negre - Chris from Lafayette 11:14:26 08/29/21 (2)
- Ah, Debussy! Good old days, eh, Chris?. Nothing's changed, for some. - tinear 12:24:35 08/29/21 (1)
- Actually, your comments are buried in ignorance - Chris from Lafayette 12:38:18 08/29/21 (0)
- This sounds an aweful lot like "all lives matter" - Analog Scott 07:37:53 08/29/21 (11)
- Now that's an ironic take! If in discussing the fact that most accomplished - tinear 08:10:55 08/29/21 (10)
- You have quite the talent for red herrings,among other talents... - Analog Scott 08:22:50 08/29/21 (9)
- I'll try this again, not bothering to address your troubling, and probably, - tinear 10:12:52 08/29/21 (8)
- Oops! I guess you STILL haven't learned that our server here chokes on diacritical marks - Chris from Lafayette 11:48:09 08/29/21 (4)
- What's the opposite of "woke?" - tinear 13:19:57 08/29/21 (2)
- hmm, i think of myself as "woke" but your idea of woke and mine are quite different - Analog Scott 16:12:29 08/29/21 (0)
- No, the opposite would be "sane" - Chris from Lafayette 13:55:48 08/29/21 (0)
- I will say, I don't find Tinear to be a pest - Analog Scott 12:37:46 08/29/21 (0)
- RE: I'll try this again, not bothering to address your troubling, and probably, - Analog Scott 10:27:17 08/29/21 (2)
- RE: I'll try this again, not bothering to address your troubling, and probably, - tinear 12:59:28 08/29/21 (1)
- My god, if youa re going to address just one point, get that point right! - Analog Scott 13:38:19 08/29/21 (0)
- Chris, this is his modus operandi from forum to forum.... - TWB 20:36:30 08/28/21 (11)
- RE: Chris, this is his modus operandi from forum to forum.... - B. Scarpia 05:50:16 08/29/21 (1)
- LOL! I see we have a volunteer! (nt) - TWB 10:33:07 08/29/21 (0)
- I swear, this guy is predisposed - always waiting to be offended - Chris from Lafayette 21:32:13 08/28/21 (8)
- Yep. /n - Ivan303 11:51:05 08/29/21 (0)
- A primer on stereotypes, just for you: - tinear 08:14:13 08/29/21 (4)
- just one point - Analog Scott 16:22:15 08/29/21 (0)
- Well! The New Yorker! I bow my head in submission! - Chris from Lafayette 13:06:41 08/29/21 (2)
- Address the article. I conflate nothing, the points are general because anti-Asian racism is so - tinear 13:37:11 08/29/21 (1)
- OK - I can't even disentangle your "sentences" in this last post - Chris from Lafayette 14:12:50 08/29/21 (0)
- +2.... [nt] - Todd Krieger 00:55:32 08/29/21 (0)
- +1 (nt) - TWB 21:46:55 08/28/21 (0)