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In Reply to: RE: Look, I have the Harnoncourt/BPO mammoth Schubert box on blu-ray posted by Mel on June 12, 2020 at 07:07:38:
Regarding who happens to be leading the various US orchestras at the present time, I don't agree with you that it's "on and on" regarding the other symphony boards in the US. After all, would you say that FWM (in Cleveland) is really a great conductor, compared to van Zweden? I wouldn't. Just because van Zweden and the NYPO released an anodyne (IMHO) Beethoven Fifth doesn't mean they can't wow us in other repertoire - indeed, van Zweden was said to have done exactly that during his time in Dallas. And I have recordings of his interpretations with his Dutch orchestras of other repertoire (Haydn, Bruckner) which, to me, sound pretty darned good! To me, the jury is still out on his work in NY - I can't judge just on the basis of a single recording. And BTW, do you REALLY think FWM is better? Overall, based on what I've heard, that is definitely not the case for me. One more thing about the boards, we have a board out here in SF which has imposed MTT on us for 25 years - enough said! I do acknowledge that the Pittsburgh and Boston choices currently look to be very promising, and I guess Muti has certainly proven himself in Chicago.
Living in CA, I'll say up front that I do not have the experience with the NYPO playing live (say, on broadcasts or telecasts) that you do. So I obviously can't defend Masur against your charge of being "boring" in the live performances you attended. However, I've seen both Masur (conducting his LGO and well as guest conducting the SFS) and Temirkanov (conducting his St. Petersburg Phil), and I would by no means award the prize to Temirkanov - both in fact put out own MTT to shame! (Maybe the grass is always greener on the other side!)
Your anecdote about Kaplan is consistent with what I've read about what Celibidache described as the "mafioso" attitude about the ensemble - but I read this stuff many years ago and I don't know if it still applies today. After all, when did Celibidache die?
Regarding your last question, "Why do you think they have not attracted a first rank conductor in his or her prime over all these years?", I'd say things like that just happen. Another example: Zubin Mehta seemed to become a much less interesting conductor once he took over in NY, compared to how he fared earlier in LA. (Maybe I'm bolstering your point my noting this!)
Anyway, I have one last question for you: who do you think are the front rank (or "great" if you will) conductors these days? One choice I would put forward is Vladimir Jurowski, even though that doesn't mean that all his recordings are tops. But I feel as if I know enough of his work (via broadcast and recordings, as well as attendance at a concert where he conducted his LPO in Royal Festival Hall), to be pretty confident that he could be a wonderful choice at the helm of an orchestra here in the US.
p.s.: I see that the latest FWM/Cleveland Orchestra anthology just got a rave over at MWI. Maybe time for me to sample some of it. Who knows, I could change my opinion about him!
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Follow Ups
- My. . . we certainly have a bee in our bonnet today, don't we? ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:41:12 06/12/20 (3)
- RE: Yes my bee . . . - Mel 19:52:11 06/12/20 (2)
- I definitely see where you're coming from - Chris from Lafayette 01:19:21 06/13/20 (1)
- RE: I definitely see where you're coming from - Mel 05:43:52 06/13/20 (0)
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