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In Reply to: Nah. LP & Cassette about the same with some tape companding. CD much more dynamic - nt posted by AbeCollins on April 25, 2021 at 07:30:06:
Theoretically I agree with you 100%. As I've pointed out many times on this thread in practice the dynamic range of CDs is aggressively compressed. Where did the 90 dB dynamic range come from? Maybe from the aggressive salesmanship. Ever heard of the Loudness Wars?Surely you don't think all CDs have the same dynamic range.
In addition, there is also the negative influences of external vibration, internal vibration, vibration of the CD itself, scattered laser light and RFI that diminish the Dynamic Range no matter how much you have to begin with (theoretically or otherwise).
"No matter how much you have in the end you would have had even more if you had started out with more." - Old audiophile axiom
Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Not Too Chicken to Change : >
Edits: 04/25/21 04/25/21 04/25/21
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - Dr.Phil 17:03:37 04/21/21 (101)
- It made it into the wall street journal - jedrider 11:22:25 04/28/21 (0)
- Just for fun - RGA 18:36:39 04/22/21 (6)
- It is just for fun - Goober58 19:34:16 04/23/21 (0)
- Well said. (nt) - reelsmith. 06:15:54 04/23/21 (2)
- RE: Well said. (nt) - Don Reid 09:39:55 04/23/21 (1)
- LOL (nt) - reelsmith. 07:34:21 04/25/21 (0)
- +1 Great Post!!! Just for fun (nt) - Jonesy 06:06:29 04/23/21 (0)
- Also CD isn't dead... - RGA 18:40:41 04/22/21 (0)
- Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - geoffkait 12:46:28 04/22/21 (76)
- Nah. LP & Cassette about the same with some tape companding. CD much more dynamic - nt - AbeCollins 07:30:06 04/25/21 (1)
- RE: Nah. LP & Cassette about the same with some tape companding. CD much more dynamic - nt - geoffkait 07:57:03 04/25/21 (0)
- Even when played on a portable Walkman ? - peppy m. 11:41:10 04/24/21 (10)
- Yup, and here's the story... - geoffkait 12:41:10 04/24/21 (9)
- I believe you'll find a fistful of capacitors in Walkman or Discman - mhardy6647 17:50:32 04/24/21 (8)
- RE: Caps in the signal path - tweaker456 07:22:09 04/25/21 (0)
- RE: I believe you'll find a fistful of capacitors in Walkman or Discman - geoffkait 03:54:15 04/25/21 (0)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - tweaker456 18:05:30 04/24/21 (5)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - geoffkait 04:00:42 04/25/21 (4)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - tweaker456 07:40:39 04/25/21 (3)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - geoffkait 12:57:01 04/29/21 (2)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - tweaker456 15:47:03 04/29/21 (1)
- RE: Batteries vs enen a junkie stock power supply for cd players - geoffkait 04:45:48 04/30/21 (0)
- RE: Can anyone tell me what geoffhisrocker means by... - tweaker456 19:44:48 04/23/21 (7)
- Nt = "no text", right ? (nt - peppy m. 09:32:46 04/24/21 (1)
- RE: Nt = "no text", right ? (nt - tweaker456 10:46:50 04/24/21 (0)
- Stalk away, Rene. Nt - geoffkait 05:44:51 04/24/21 (0)
- in his case - Story 03:20:24 04/24/21 (3)
- RE: in his case - geoffkait 05:38:42 04/24/21 (2)
- RE: in his case - Story 06:15:33 04/24/21 (1)
- RE: in his case - geoffkait 08:42:37 04/24/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - kyle 06:53:32 04/23/21 (38)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - Todd Krieger 03:06:52 04/25/21 (3)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - geoffkait 03:38:53 04/25/21 (2)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - tweaker456 07:55:09 04/25/21 (1)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - geoffkait 11:25:06 04/28/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - tweaker456 19:29:50 04/23/21 (0)
- All rerecord cassettes I ever bought sounded like shite - Feanor 10:13:53 04/23/21 (1)
- Obviously you should have bought the good ones. Nt - geoffkait 10:34:20 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - geoffkait 08:58:38 04/23/21 (30)
- The capability of a format has no relation... - mlsstl 12:20:03 04/23/21 (1)
- RE: The capability of a format has no relation... - geoffkait 13:30:20 04/23/21 (0)
- Funny you of all manufactures exist solely on marketing hype and now you cry foul - Edp 10:26:56 04/23/21 (22)
- RE: Funny you of all manufactures exist solely on marketing hype and now you cry foul - geoffkait 10:31:42 04/23/21 (21)
- I have to apologise for two reasons - kyle 11:35:46 04/23/21 (17)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - geoffkait 13:24:39 04/23/21 (14)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - kyle 16:19:59 04/23/21 (13)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - Mossback 16:25:23 04/23/21 (12)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - geoffkait 16:44:21 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - kyle 16:28:52 04/23/21 (10)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - geoffkait 16:42:32 04/23/21 (9)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - rivervalley817 19:55:01 04/23/21 (8)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - geoffkait 03:08:44 04/24/21 (7)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - tweaker456 03:48:25 04/24/21 (6)
- RE: I have to apologise for two reasons - geoffkait 03:57:08 04/24/21 (5)
- RE: So true geoff - tweaker456 08:16:26 04/24/21 (4)
- Who said this place is dead? - geoffkait 08:40:11 04/24/21 (3)
- You're just sitting there... - Tre' 14:43:43 04/24/21 (2)
- So that was you I saw peeking in the window. Nt - geoffkait 15:00:45 04/24/21 (1)
- Yup! nt - Tre' 16:33:50 04/24/21 (0)
- :-) nt - Tre' 12:59:10 04/23/21 (1)
- RE: :-) nt - geoffkait 13:27:00 04/23/21 (0)
- Most of us here at AA got the memo - it was titled "geoffkait likes to feel superior vifa dubious claims" - Edp 10:47:21 04/23/21 (2)
- RE: Most of us here at AA got the memo - it was titled "geoffkait likes to feel superior vifa dubious claims" - tweaker456 19:35:09 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Most of us here at AA got the memo - it was titled "geoffkait likes to feel superior vifa dubious claims" - geoffkait 11:28:18 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - kyle 09:54:38 04/23/21 (4)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - b.l.zeebub 10:22:04 04/23/21 (3)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - Tre' 13:02:38 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - kyle 11:39:05 04/23/21 (1)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - pictureguy 11:58:49 04/23/21 (0)
- tape at 15 or 30 ips is one thing - Story 04:33:56 04/23/21 (6)
- RE: tape at 15 or 30 ips is one thing - geoffkait 04:41:00 04/23/21 (5)
- RE: tape at 15 or 30 ips is one thing - Story 07:45:21 04/23/21 (4)
- RE: tape at 15 or 30 ips is one thing - geoffkait 11:26:30 04/23/21 (3)
- Nice comeback. nt - kyle 11:36:46 04/23/21 (2)
- If he were 12... which, emotionally, he seems to be... - musetap 00:48:49 04/24/21 (1)
- RE: If he were 12... which, emotionally, he seems to be... - geoffkait 03:46:30 04/24/21 (0)
- So all those people who thought cassettes sounded better than vinyl had a point? (nt) - Goober58 16:53:50 04/22/21 (1)
- Bingo! Nt - geoffkait 04:42:07 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - ChesshireCat 14:27:58 04/22/21 (6)
- RE: Cassettes generally have considerably better dynamic range than either LP or CD. Nt - geoffkait 14:52:55 04/22/21 (5)
- Classical listeners have never had much of a problem CD compression - Feanor 10:10:42 04/23/21 (4)
- More power to you. Nt - geoffkait 13:57:52 04/23/21 (0)
- Exactly - in fact, to hear some people tell it. . . - Chris from Lafayette 12:20:52 04/23/21 (2)
- RE: Exactly - in fact, to hear some people tell it. . . - rivervalley817 19:57:49 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Exactly - in fact, to hear some people tell it. . . - tweaker456 19:46:50 04/23/21 (0)
- That doesn't make sense to me - Goober58 12:15:07 04/22/21 (2)
- Yup, the next call won't be from the Mensa Society. nt - viridian 12:22:59 04/22/21 (1)
- Looks like too much coffee to me. But who knows? - Goober58 17:06:29 04/22/21 (0)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - Aaron 01 10:16:17 04/22/21 (1)
- Yes - I thought cross-posting was not allowed here [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:35:24 04/22/21 (0)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - John Elison 05:53:43 04/22/21 (2)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - rmilewsk 13:53:15 04/23/21 (0)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - Todd Krieger 01:49:17 04/23/21 (0)
- Haven't bought LPs since the mid-'90s ... - Feanor 03:54:30 04/22/21 (4)
- RE: Haven't bought LPs since the mid-'90s ... - ChesshireCat 14:30:57 04/22/21 (0)
- RE: How about CDs? - tketcham 04:59:29 04/22/21 (2)
- Yes, I do, though I don't play them - Feanor 13:04:09 04/22/21 (1)
- RE: Yes, I do, though I don't play them - tketcham 17:43:25 04/22/21 (0)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - PAR 03:30:23 04/22/21 (1)
- Actually, Pete... - E-Stat 07:38:21 04/22/21 (0)
- RE: Vinyl Out Sells CD For the 1st time - ChesshireCat 21:21:28 04/21/21 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Nah. LP & Cassette about the same with some tape companding. CD much more dynamic - nt - geoffkait 07:57:03 04/25/21 (0)