Agenda? Sheesh.

Posted by markrohr (P) on February 17, 2007 at 06:52:34

In Reply to: Re: Let me tell you a little story. posted by unclestu52 on February 16, 2007 at 14:08:00:

Unclestu, I'm just trying to give you the reality of the situation, but you seem uninterested. I've tried to be helpful here, because you have some misconceptions about the topic, as many do. If that's an "agenda" in your eyes so be it.

I never in this thread said that absolute pitch is a "liability" when it comes to playing in tune. The plain words of my posts have indicated that absolute pitch is neither necessary nor particularly advantageous to playing in tune.

On the other hand you have maintained that it must be an advantage, yet with no particularly convincing reasoning.

Meanwhile, statements such as "I believe that they can hear and compensate for the differences perhaps more quickly" demonstrate that you don't really understand how the process works. All musicians--we hope, at least--learn the skill set that leads to good intonation, and at some point the process of playing in tune becomes automatic and instantaneous. At this level you don't hear a pitch problem and consciously decide which way you have to go to fix it and go there; it happens without thinking about it and you make the adjustments instantly, on the fly, in the correct direction. Those with absolute pitch don't get there one bit sooner.

I am relying on decades of experience in actually doing what we're talking about. If you'd like to persist with your "beliefs" be my guest. The reality of the situation--no beliefs necessary--is both different and more complex (particularly with regard to deviations from equal temperament) than you think.

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Topic - Test for Absolute Pitch - Todd Krieger 04:30:01 02/14/07 (26)

I think this is a fundamenatlly misocceived conception of what 'fine PITCH acuity actually IS - Timbo in Oz 18:23:19 02/16/07 (0)

I got them all! - LousyTourist 06:41:54 02/15/07 (0)

Little tale about perfect pitch - Cpk 20:05:34 02/14/07 (0)

I have perfect pitch...perfectly awful pitch, that is! - lipmanl 11:24:40 02/14/07 (0)

Believe it or not, - markrohr 07:05:54 02/14/07 (16)

Agreed... - nubz 19:41:45 02/14/07 (0)

or not, - unclestu52 11:16:28 02/14/07 (11)

Intonation has nothing to do with absolute pitch. - markrohr 17:32:02 02/14/07 (10)

Re: Intonation has nothing to do with absolute pitch. - unclestu52 21:53:17 02/14/07 (9)

Soory if you mean abs pitch as setsted for here I think it is for far too many players and singers a real obstacle to - Timbo in Oz 18:31:28 02/16/07 (0)

Misconceptions. - markrohr 04:19:56 02/15/07 (7)

Re: Misconceptions. - Ted Smith 11:23:55 02/15/07 (0)

Re: Misconceptions. - unclestu52 11:19:36 02/15/07 (5)

Let me tell you a little story. - markrohr 10:23:04 02/16/07 (2)

Re: Let me tell you a little story. - unclestu52 14:08:00 02/16/07 (1)

Agenda? Sheesh. - markrohr 06:52:34 02/17/07 (0)

Sorry. - markrohr 13:06:19 02/15/07 (1)

Right you are, Mr. Rohr... - Tom 17:13:30 02/15/07 (0)

You may be interested... - mkuller 09:40:53 02/14/07 (2)

I will, thanks. - markrohr 09:51:15 02/14/07 (1)

Absolute pitch is an inborn skill...(nt) - mkuller 09:53:10 02/14/07 (0)

perfect pitch - chosenhandle 05:53:17 02/14/07 (4)

NO that's when you throw an objectivist about anything into the real world of testing and he gets bitten - Timbo in Oz 18:39:29 02/16/07 (0)

you could also do that - REL54 13:58:00 02/14/07 (0)

Re: perfect pitch - Jake_LA 08:17:51 02/14/07 (0)

Re: perfect pitch - driver8 06:49:42 02/14/07 (0)

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Agenda? Sheesh. - markrohr 06:52:34 02/17/07 (0)

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