In Reply to: Intonation has nothing to do with absolute pitch. posted by markrohr on February 14, 2007 at 17:32:02:
I still disagree. While most players do not have absolute pitch, those that do and use it, will have better intonation. I used to have decent relative pitch, but it took many, many years of training. Since perfect pitch is innate, those players willing to utilize it can play more together in ensembles.One player that I know who has perfect pitch is quite open about admitting that very few play in a=440 anymore, and that most seem to prefer a=442, but he can hear it and adapt.
Equal tempered scales were always a man made artifact and never reflect the true nature of frequency doubling for octaves.
Perfect pitch was never a necessity, but pitch and its recognition by your own words is very important in ensemble playing, and that was my point. In fact, that was why the tempered scale was invented, wasn't it(among other reasons)? I do remember using a strobotuner on a piano once early in my music education and was shocked to find it far from being perfect.
I usually always hear problems with orchestras and other ensembles and the fixed pitch of their percussion mallet instruments (xylophones, etc) compared to the strings, etc. Some ensembles have poor precision and intonation and those intonation issues may not be so obvious, but a superb ensemble will usually display such issues of intonation.
For ensemble playing, it still thrills me to hear the precision so many individual players can produce in real time, not just in the timing but in other aspects of music including intonation.
Of course, your opinions may vary.
Stu
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- Re: Intonation has nothing to do with absolute pitch. - unclestu52 21:53:17 02/14/07 (9)
- Soory if you mean abs pitch as setsted for here I think it is for far too many players and singers a real obstacle to - Timbo in Oz 18:31:28 02/16/07 (0)
- Misconceptions. - markrohr 04:19:56 02/15/07 (7)
- Re: Misconceptions. - Ted Smith 11:23:55 02/15/07 (0)
- Re: Misconceptions. - unclestu52 11:19:36 02/15/07 (5)
- Let me tell you a little story. - markrohr 10:23:04 02/16/07 (2)
- Re: Let me tell you a little story. - unclestu52 14:08:00 02/16/07 (1)
- Agenda? Sheesh. - markrohr 06:52:34 02/17/07 (0)
- Sorry. - markrohr 13:06:19 02/15/07 (1)
- Right you are, Mr. Rohr... - Tom 17:13:30 02/15/07 (0)