I guess few here would argue with the thoughts below but I would be interested on further comment as there are still many in audio clubs who treat this concept with scorn adopting the "If you cannot measure it - it doesn't exist" attitude.Theoretically it should be possible to mate any reasonable quality component with another to achieve a satisfying result. Maybe this is so for average mid-fi components (maybe because they are so mediocre) but has not been what many of us have experienced.
The term commonly used to describe this is “synergyâ€, a black magic meaningless term to those happy to rely on instrumental measurements and not their ears. And, IMO herein lies the trap – those instrumental measurements are obviously incomplete and do a poor job of correlating with the sound as described in the link below.
Taken a step further this synergy between components is sometimes altered by different interconnects. This can be scoffed off by attributing it to a placebo affect, and this might well apply in some cases, but it is being closed minded to say it is ALWAYS the case.
I have experienced disappointment in a number of cases where a well respected component has just not sounded as good as has been touted by others, and have also been pleased NOT to observe the negatives others have ascribed to a component.
Obviously there is more going on than the specifications of a component indicate so that the best possible handshaking between component A and component B is never guaranteed. They may be simple electrons involved, but it appears they encounter some unexpected hurdles in their action while in the process of reproducing quality sound from recordings. With the vast number of condensers, resistors, ICs etc involved this should not be surprising. Maybe a component can be designed so that the action of the electrons within that component are consistent -> a good result, but that does not appear to guarantee a good interface with another component.
So yes, IMO, there is a certain amount of illogical “black magic†associated with all this.
John
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Topic - Assembling a Good Audio System – black art or not? - John C. - Aussie 19:08:28 03/01/06 (69)
- No way to know for sure exactly whats goin' on... - Abel McCain 14:33:01 03/04/06 (0)
- Measurements & perception & reproduced sound - Duke 19:24:13 03/02/06 (13)
- Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 14:14:28 03/03/06 (12)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - Duke 17:40:00 03/03/06 (11)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 00:51:09 03/04/06 (10)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - EGeddes 21:30:50 03/05/06 (9)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 00:38:19 03/06/06 (8)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - EGeddes 05:24:42 03/06/06 (7)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 12:58:07 03/06/06 (6)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - EGeddes 15:22:34 03/06/06 (5)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 22:04:14 03/06/06 (4)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - EGeddes 06:04:29 03/07/06 (3)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - David Aiken 15:28:23 03/07/06 (2)
- Re: Agreement and disagreement - EGeddes 19:22:40 03/07/06 (1)
- My example is not false… - David Aiken 20:32:16 03/07/06 (0)
- Not much different than cooking- how easily are your taste buds satisfied? n.t. - Story 16:28:11 03/02/06 (0)
- "If you cannot measure it - it doesn't exist" - Janos 16:26:48 03/02/06 (0)
- It's trial and error...(nt) - mkuller 11:43:27 03/02/06 (0)
- Don't "balance" components. - Bob Neill 09:54:32 03/02/06 (10)
- Are we really smart enough to do that sucessfully? - Frihed89 22:38:59 03/02/06 (0)
- Very good point. - LarryI 11:23:03 03/02/06 (8)
- yup - CD 10:19:39 03/03/06 (0)
- Agreed, two good examples. - Bob Neill 15:32:43 03/02/06 (6)
- We do seem to agree - LarryI 16:18:10 03/02/06 (5)
- Re: We do seem to agree - Eric B. 16:39:19 03/02/06 (4)
- Re: We do seem to agree - LarryI 05:22:10 03/03/06 (1)
- Re: We do seem to agree - Eric B. 07:07:37 03/03/06 (0)
- Re: We do seem to agree - Bob Neill 03:05:56 03/03/06 (1)
- Re: We do seem to agree - Eric B. 06:52:36 03/03/06 (0)
- How about a little common sense?? - Robert Hamel 09:43:23 03/02/06 (0)
- I think “measurements†of audio equipment is next to useless…….. - three_sox 09:22:52 03/02/06 (0)
- The 'black art' component can be reduced to any level you please - Al Sekela 09:10:50 03/02/06 (16)
- Great Al now that we know who you don't like what about those that you do? - Don T 09:59:01 03/03/06 (11)
- Your comment on dealers... - Al Sekela 16:28:15 03/03/06 (3)
- You've got to be kidding me! - Don T 16:43:24 03/03/06 (2)
- "few dealers have any clue to what I like" - Al Sekela 17:15:36 03/03/06 (1)
- It say that I am hard to please, particular and discriminating when it comes to audio purchases. - Don T 22:48:27 03/03/06 (0)
- Well, isn't that precious? - Dave Pogue 11:46:28 03/03/06 (6)
- A good post? At it's best it's half assed. - Don T 16:33:24 03/03/06 (5)
- "...give those who spend freely a pass..." - Al Sekela 17:20:49 03/03/06 (3)
- Re: "...give those who spend freely a pass..." - Don T 11:44:38 03/04/06 (2)
- Do we have to explain EVERYTHING to you? - Al Sekela 11:24:41 03/05/06 (1)
- On the contrary.... - Don T 14:13:19 03/05/06 (0)
- I'm sure you'll be glad to provide the other half (nt) - Dave Pogue 16:40:55 03/03/06 (0)
- Re: Thanks Al (nt) - Ralph 08:20:09 03/03/06 (0)
- Way cool of you, and pretty darn concise too! nt - scruffy_ 15:35:38 03/02/06 (0)
- Wow! - Dave Pogue 14:30:03 03/02/06 (0)
- I think it's a matter of sound engineering... - C.B. 08:38:51 03/02/06 (0)
- A Gr Research AV1 Clone, But Costs 199 - Mister Pig 08:00:46 03/02/06 (0)
- Re: Depends on the (black or not) faceplate * - Guy 07:57:55 03/02/06 (0)
- IME, knowing one's preferences is key - Quint 05:51:07 03/02/06 (3)
- Nice! - Don T 22:36:30 03/02/06 (0)
- Re: IME, knowing one's preferences is key - OTA-ATC 06:34:08 03/02/06 (0)
- Me too - Frihed89 05:56:00 03/02/06 (0)
- I've changed my views on this - Frihed89 00:45:26 03/02/06 (4)
- Are you serious? - Peter Gunn 06:19:33 03/02/06 (3)
- Re: Are you serious? - Frihed89 10:53:57 03/02/06 (0)
- I like your marrying analogy... - tcell 07:27:25 03/02/06 (1)
- Re: I like your marrying analogy... - Peter Gunn 08:42:01 03/02/06 (0)
- No Art .....No Magic..... - John EH 21:50:49 03/01/06 (0)
- Lots Of Sense So far - Peter Gunn 21:44:46 03/01/06 (1)
- Re: Lots Of Sense So far - RAB 11:23:02 03/02/06 (0)
- Luck, skill and common sense perhaps? - OTA-ATC 19:55:27 03/01/06 (0)
- Damn. Can we just say if it sounds good to YOU, it's OK? - Tromatic 19:45:37 03/01/06 (1)
- Re: Damn. Can we just say if it sounds good to YOU, it's OK? - Dman 08:03:32 03/02/06 (0)
- Synergy? - Don T 19:35:10 03/01/06 (2)
- Dictionary meaning - John C. - Aussie 20:08:40 03/01/06 (1)
- Re: Dictionary meaning - Don T 21:18:39 03/01/06 (0)