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In Reply to: What is "Truth".... posted by mkuller on February 24, 2006 at 13:25:14:
Viz., "To me, and I suspect many audiophiles, the truth we are seeking is *the sound of live unamplified music occuring in a real space* as opposed to *the output measuring as closely as possible to the input*.On the other hand if routinely modify the input, you will never appreciate the truly successful recording.
Bill Bailey
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Beauty? Or Truth?
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - HiFi Guy 10:42:45 02/24/06 (135)
- Beauty hands down! For truth I go to work... nt - bartc 05:54:03 02/28/06 (0)
- For a studio recording, who knows the "truth"? - Richard BassNut Greene 16:25:35 02/27/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - Quint 06:03:54 02/27/06 (0)
- Beauty is Where We Prefer to Sit. - Bob Neill 15:10:49 02/26/06 (1)
- Exactly - where truth or beauty meet the road...(nt) - mkuller 16:49:10 02/26/06 (0)
- Beautiful Truth - Jon Risch 09:05:00 02/26/06 (1)
- That's a post worth printing and saving - Richard BassNut Greene 16:18:19 02/27/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - middleground 04:39:15 02/26/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - Janos 01:56:30 02/26/06 (0)
- Re: Why do I have to choose.... - Dave-A 14:22:51 02/25/06 (0)
- Beauty. nt - Elizabeth 13:15:46 02/25/06 (0)
- Thunderous fingers on the fretboard - truth or beauty? - gd 13:09:14 02/25/06 (0)
- beauty in the ears of the beholder - ME - Shane from AUS 02:56:30 02/25/06 (0)
- Don't agree there's a divide; the 'truth' can be 'beautiful' - they're not incompatible. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:15:22 02/25/06 (0)
- Read any Plato recently? - Saul P 23:20:44 02/24/06 (1)
- Micky Mouse's dog can write? [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:55:10 02/25/06 (0)
- B/S question from purveyors of same..... - Bob Wortman 21:19:24 02/24/06 (0)
- The Problem Is.... - Todd Krieger 20:54:30 02/24/06 (9)
- I agree, it is a huge problem. Especially about defining what “live†sound/music actually is. ………. - three_sox 00:04:41 02/25/06 (8)
- "the only way to know if a recoding is “accurate†is to be present when it is recorded." ----No, alas. - markrohr 10:38:08 02/25/06 (7)
- Re: "the only way to know if a recoding is “accurate†is to be present when it is recorded." ----No, alas. - David Aiken 14:28:44 02/26/06 (0)
- \\\I've come to the conclusion that the best we can do is strive for accuracy to the recording///............... - three_sox 19:36:23 02/25/06 (4)
- Re: \\\I've come to the conclusion that the best we can do is strive for accuracy to the recording///............... - markrohr 06:49:29 02/26/06 (3)
- \\\Just where on earth did you get that?///................ - three_sox 15:41:27 02/26/06 (2)
- Well, it's a moot point, anyway, - markrohr 14:20:43 02/27/06 (1)
- It is only a moot point in the context of how YOU make the point……… - three_sox 16:29:30 02/27/06 (0)
- Bullseye. - Presto 11:25:48 02/25/06 (0)
- The illusion of truth, of course - PabloP 20:48:57 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - hahax 20:06:44 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Depends on what you call bad.... - Dave-A 14:06:11 02/25/06 (0)
- I may never know the truth, but I know what I like. - edta 18:36:07 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty, as we will never. . . - risabet 18:06:56 02/24/06 (5)
- Hmmmmm.... - Wellfed 23:04:42 02/24/06 (4)
- Actually, we have no idea what Jesus said as. . . - risabet 15:06:37 02/25/06 (1)
- The oldest trick in The Book is... - Wellfed 19:31:54 02/25/06 (0)
- One truth, but many paths?... Can you work with me here? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:22 02/25/06 (1)
- Re: Is there only one road to NYC? nt nt - risabet 15:04:08 02/25/06 (0)
- You will never know the truth!!! - TomWh 17:53:17 02/24/06 (0)
- While single, or married? -t - bwkendall 17:46:24 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - timothywas1@comcast.net 17:07:58 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - setlow 17:07:00 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty - srdavis2000 16:58:26 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth trumps beauty - Feanor 16:08:20 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Truth trumps beauty - Shakey 16:39:55 02/24/06 (0)
- My audio system is beautifully truthful……….~t - three_sox 15:18:55 02/24/06 (0)
- There is no point to this hobby if accuracy isn't the ultimate criteria - Soundmind 15:05:36 02/24/06 (36)
- Subjectivism... - mkuller 18:13:21 02/25/06 (0)
- Re: There is no point to this hobby if accuracy isn't the ultimate criteria - kwr 12:26:32 02/25/06 (0)
- The trick is in the interpretation of "accuracy" - E-Stat 16:45:19 02/24/06 (24)
- There is no interpretation, just blind live versus recorded tests - Soundmind 17:37:15 02/24/06 (23)
- Re: There is no interpretation, just blind live versus recorded tests - Todd Krieger 21:12:59 02/24/06 (0)
- you're right about direct accuracy correlations - Sordidman 20:10:14 02/24/06 (2)
- I agree that accuracy is important. - Presto 20:33:21 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: I agree that accuracy is important. - Soundmind 21:05:22 02/24/06 (0)
- This philosophy fringes on extreme idealism I am afraid. - Presto 19:27:39 02/24/06 (12)
- Re: This philosophy fringes on extreme idealism I am afraid. - Soundmind 19:47:09 02/24/06 (11)
- Umm Soundmind is not as far off as some of you folks imply... - RGA 21:22:57 02/25/06 (0)
- I honestly don't think that is what the engineers are trying to do... - Presto 20:24:42 02/24/06 (9)
- The current technology may be entertaining, so were all previous technologies - Soundmind 20:57:15 02/24/06 (8)
- And you call yourself an optimist - Dave Pogue 04:15:42 02/25/06 (7)
- If I weren't, I'd buy the best to be had today resigned that this junk is the best man can make - Soundmind 04:30:19 02/25/06 (6)
- If "optimist" = being full of yourself - Dave Pogue 04:39:02 02/25/06 (5)
- Having read your posts, how could I be otherwise. Just like a plain looking girl feels beautiful next to an ugly crone - Soundmind 04:53:38 02/25/06 (4)
- Grow up - Dave Pogue 05:08:49 02/25/06 (3)
- You first :-) - Soundmind 05:25:30 02/25/06 (2)
- Re: You first :-) - Dave Pogue 05:59:40 02/25/06 (1)
- Mid 1948 - Soundmind 06:05:02 02/25/06 (0)
- Unless of course, you're using AR-3s and Dyna MK III amps capable of fooling the senses :) (nt) - E-Stat 19:20:49 02/24/06 (4)
- One's thing's for sure, Martin Logan Summits and VS VR1s won't fool anyone ;-) nt - Soundmind 19:36:56 02/24/06 (3)
- Wouldn't equalization tame the five frequency sins of the M-L? - E-Stat 07:28:07 02/25/06 (2)
- Only to a limited degree - Soundmind 07:48:21 02/25/06 (1)
- As for me - E-Stat 08:16:02 02/25/06 (1)
- Only the speakers - PabloP 18:16:13 02/24/06 (0)
- what a ridiculous post - newbilong 15:51:51 02/24/06 (7)
- just what I was thinking... - bent 21:03:36 02/24/06 (0)
- we obviously have different hobbies. - Soundmind 17:39:08 02/24/06 (5)
- Re: we obviously have different hobbies. - newbilong 20:32:55 02/25/06 (0)
- Isn't accuracy often out of our control... - 396driver 21:38:59 02/24/06 (3)
- Re: Isn't accuracy often out of our control... - Soundmind 21:47:33 02/24/06 (2)
- Yes, I can agree, but... - 396driver 22:27:28 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Yes, I can agree, but... - Soundmind 04:22:49 02/25/06 (0)
- "Soundmind, soundbody . . . take your pick." - M3 lover 15:49:09 02/24/06 (0)
- Form Follows Function! - Phil_S 15:03:25 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: "Beauty is skin deep.... - alan m. kafton 14:48:09 02/24/06 (3)
- Re: I like that.... - Dave-A 17:49:16 02/24/06 (2)
- Re: I like that.... - alan m. kafton 20:09:04 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: I like that.... - Dave-A 08:09:50 02/25/06 (0)
- The full truth is not found in the media, so I'll settle for beauty /nt - Julien43 14:25:18 02/24/06 (1)
- My vote for best post yet... nt. - Lynn 16:45:40 02/24/06 (0)
- Interesting post.......but here's my take - John EH 14:10:41 02/24/06 (0)
- As per John Keats... - Audio Pharaoh 14:06:38 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth, every time - lanny 13:31:18 02/24/06 (0)
- unequivocably yes!! (nt) - robert young 13:07:51 02/24/06 (0)
- I want it to move me emotionally...these are the moments... - Steve Parry 12:45:06 02/24/06 (0)
- False dichotomy - JIm Kain 11:56:41 02/24/06 (1)
- Truth and Beauty perhaps are not the right terms.. - Lynn 12:09:17 02/24/06 (0)
- Both. Music = beauty. Music reproduction = truth. (nt) - Presto 11:47:05 02/24/06 (0)
- Ode on a Grecian Urn... - Enophile 11:40:28 02/24/06 (11)
- NO! He left out Goodness. [See below.] nt - clarkjohnsen 13:40:41 02/24/06 (3)
- Not according to Niesztche -t - Sordidman 20:14:26 02/24/06 (1)
- Oh he's beyond that! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:49:46 02/25/06 (0)
- Maybe we can use the equation... - Enophile 14:51:34 02/24/06 (0)
- Unless it's the "Correspondance theory of Truth" which could be - Sordidman 12:28:58 02/24/06 (3)
- 3 kinds of truth: correspondence, coherence and pragmatic - j.click 13:00:33 02/24/06 (2)
- There's a heck of a lot more than that, - indeed.... - Sordidman 13:44:38 02/24/06 (0)
- The sky is blue? - Enophile 13:28:35 02/24/06 (0)
- To paraphrase Woody Allen - 4season 11:57:46 02/24/06 (2)
- Ya gotta luv Woody, even if you hate his movies ( nt ) - Sean 14:05:49 02/24/06 (1)
- I loved him until... - Enophile 14:56:18 02/24/06 (0)
- Goodness! A meditation for Friday's Children. - clarkjohnsen 11:34:50 02/24/06 (3)
- The erudite Clark - Feanor 06:11:37 02/28/06 (0)
- Thanks for a fun post. - Enophile 14:49:48 02/24/06 (1)
- Thank you! A coupla things: - clarkjohnsen 08:48:25 02/25/06 (0)
- If I must choose, I choos truth. I'd like both however. - Schu 11:32:31 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - jfz 11:31:25 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty is in the EAR of the beholder! (nt) - DevillEars 11:19:46 02/24/06 (0)
- Often, they are one and the same..... -t - Sordidman 11:19:44 02/24/06 (2)
- Agreed! - HiFi Guy 11:24:46 02/24/06 (1)
- I've learned a few things that i think relates to this... - Sordidman 12:27:06 02/24/06 (0)
- The beautiful truth can be harmoniously presented. I'm for that...N/T - musetap 11:00:58 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth (music) is beautiful... - mkuller 11:00:20 02/24/06 (7)
- Re: Agreed Truth=Beauty - Dave-A 17:59:33 02/24/06 (0)
- Not really.... - Lynn 12:30:26 02/24/06 (5)
- What is "Truth".... - mkuller 13:25:14 02/24/06 (4)
- I like that definition as far as it goes - Feanor 06:19:57 02/28/06 (0)
- "Live music never sound analytical" - Sordidman 13:51:19 02/24/06 (2)
- Come on... - mkuller 14:43:59 02/24/06 (1)
- Sound quality - Sordidman 14:51:07 02/24/06 (0)
- Insted of writing a paragaph, I will say this... - Audiopolous 10:49:18 02/24/06 (6)
- A very careful, blended balance of both. - Lynn 12:12:41 02/24/06 (0)
- Agreed! nt - Budrew 11:11:53 02/24/06 (0)
- Ditto. You found the words for which I was searching. Grazie mille. -nt- - TopPop 11:00:42 02/24/06 (0)
- So then, in which piece of equipment would you tolerate inaccuracy to get that balance? - HiFi Guy 10:57:51 02/24/06 (1)
- It al depends on what is doing what to know where to add accuracy, or musicality. -t- - Audiopolous 17:08:56 02/24/06 (0)
- Abso-toot-ly right! (nt) - EBerlin 10:51:49 02/24/06 (0)
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- I like that definition as far as it goes - Feanor 06:19:57 02/28/06 (0)
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