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In Reply to: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. posted by HiFi Guy on February 24, 2006 at 10:42:45:
I subscribe to S'Phile and enjoy the writing and the music and equipment reviews but come on guys lets get honest. A debate about accuracy versus euphonia from a pack of characters that think the only trustworthy measurement tool is human hearing and that comparing two musical experiences serially without visual cues is completely ineffective. Just how the hell are they determinining what is accurate? By comparing today's stereo listening to last month's live concert? This is just a difference of opinion about two particular flavors of sound. Accuracy hasn't got much to do with it.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - HiFi Guy 10:42:45 02/24/06 (135)
- Beauty hands down! For truth I go to work... nt - bartc 05:54:03 02/28/06 (0)
- For a studio recording, who knows the "truth"? - Richard BassNut Greene 16:25:35 02/27/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - Quint 06:03:54 02/27/06 (0)
- Beauty is Where We Prefer to Sit. - Bob Neill 15:10:49 02/26/06 (1)
- Exactly - where truth or beauty meet the road...(nt) - mkuller 16:49:10 02/26/06 (0)
- Beautiful Truth - Jon Risch 09:05:00 02/26/06 (1)
- That's a post worth printing and saving - Richard BassNut Greene 16:18:19 02/27/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - middleground 04:39:15 02/26/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - Janos 01:56:30 02/26/06 (0)
- Re: Why do I have to choose.... - Dave-A 14:22:51 02/25/06 (0)
- Beauty. nt - Elizabeth 13:15:46 02/25/06 (0)
- Thunderous fingers on the fretboard - truth or beauty? - gd 13:09:14 02/25/06 (0)
- beauty in the ears of the beholder - ME - Shane from AUS 02:56:30 02/25/06 (0)
- Don't agree there's a divide; the 'truth' can be 'beautiful' - they're not incompatible. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:15:22 02/25/06 (0)
- Read any Plato recently? - Saul P 23:20:44 02/24/06 (1)
- Micky Mouse's dog can write? [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:55:10 02/25/06 (0)
- B/S question from purveyors of same..... - Bob Wortman 21:19:24 02/24/06 (0)
- The Problem Is.... - Todd Krieger 20:54:30 02/24/06 (9)
- I agree, it is a huge problem. Especially about defining what “live†sound/music actually is. ………. - three_sox 00:04:41 02/25/06 (8)
- "the only way to know if a recoding is “accurate†is to be present when it is recorded." ----No, alas. - markrohr 10:38:08 02/25/06 (7)
- Re: "the only way to know if a recoding is “accurate†is to be present when it is recorded." ----No, alas. - David Aiken 14:28:44 02/26/06 (0)
- \\\I've come to the conclusion that the best we can do is strive for accuracy to the recording///............... - three_sox 19:36:23 02/25/06 (4)
- Re: \\\I've come to the conclusion that the best we can do is strive for accuracy to the recording///............... - markrohr 06:49:29 02/26/06 (3)
- \\\Just where on earth did you get that?///................ - three_sox 15:41:27 02/26/06 (2)
- Well, it's a moot point, anyway, - markrohr 14:20:43 02/27/06 (1)
- It is only a moot point in the context of how YOU make the point……… - three_sox 16:29:30 02/27/06 (0)
- Bullseye. - Presto 11:25:48 02/25/06 (0)
- The illusion of truth, of course - PabloP 20:48:57 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - hahax 20:06:44 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Depends on what you call bad.... - Dave-A 14:06:11 02/25/06 (0)
- I may never know the truth, but I know what I like. - edta 18:36:07 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty, as we will never. . . - risabet 18:06:56 02/24/06 (5)
- Hmmmmm.... - Wellfed 23:04:42 02/24/06 (4)
- Actually, we have no idea what Jesus said as. . . - risabet 15:06:37 02/25/06 (1)
- The oldest trick in The Book is... - Wellfed 19:31:54 02/25/06 (0)
- One truth, but many paths?... Can you work with me here? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:22 02/25/06 (1)
- Re: Is there only one road to NYC? nt nt - risabet 15:04:08 02/25/06 (0)
- You will never know the truth!!! - TomWh 17:53:17 02/24/06 (0)
- While single, or married? -t - bwkendall 17:46:24 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - timothywas1@comcast.net 17:07:58 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - setlow 17:07:00 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty - srdavis2000 16:58:26 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth trumps beauty - Feanor 16:08:20 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Truth trumps beauty - Shakey 16:39:55 02/24/06 (0)
- My audio system is beautifully truthful……….~t - three_sox 15:18:55 02/24/06 (0)
- There is no point to this hobby if accuracy isn't the ultimate criteria - Soundmind 15:05:36 02/24/06 (36)
- Subjectivism... - mkuller 18:13:21 02/25/06 (0)
- Re: There is no point to this hobby if accuracy isn't the ultimate criteria - kwr 12:26:32 02/25/06 (0)
- The trick is in the interpretation of "accuracy" - E-Stat 16:45:19 02/24/06 (24)
- There is no interpretation, just blind live versus recorded tests - Soundmind 17:37:15 02/24/06 (23)
- Re: There is no interpretation, just blind live versus recorded tests - Todd Krieger 21:12:59 02/24/06 (0)
- you're right about direct accuracy correlations - Sordidman 20:10:14 02/24/06 (2)
- I agree that accuracy is important. - Presto 20:33:21 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: I agree that accuracy is important. - Soundmind 21:05:22 02/24/06 (0)
- This philosophy fringes on extreme idealism I am afraid. - Presto 19:27:39 02/24/06 (12)
- Re: This philosophy fringes on extreme idealism I am afraid. - Soundmind 19:47:09 02/24/06 (11)
- Umm Soundmind is not as far off as some of you folks imply... - RGA 21:22:57 02/25/06 (0)
- I honestly don't think that is what the engineers are trying to do... - Presto 20:24:42 02/24/06 (9)
- The current technology may be entertaining, so were all previous technologies - Soundmind 20:57:15 02/24/06 (8)
- And you call yourself an optimist - Dave Pogue 04:15:42 02/25/06 (7)
- If I weren't, I'd buy the best to be had today resigned that this junk is the best man can make - Soundmind 04:30:19 02/25/06 (6)
- If "optimist" = being full of yourself - Dave Pogue 04:39:02 02/25/06 (5)
- Having read your posts, how could I be otherwise. Just like a plain looking girl feels beautiful next to an ugly crone - Soundmind 04:53:38 02/25/06 (4)
- Grow up - Dave Pogue 05:08:49 02/25/06 (3)
- You first :-) - Soundmind 05:25:30 02/25/06 (2)
- Re: You first :-) - Dave Pogue 05:59:40 02/25/06 (1)
- Mid 1948 - Soundmind 06:05:02 02/25/06 (0)
- Unless of course, you're using AR-3s and Dyna MK III amps capable of fooling the senses :) (nt) - E-Stat 19:20:49 02/24/06 (4)
- One's thing's for sure, Martin Logan Summits and VS VR1s won't fool anyone ;-) nt - Soundmind 19:36:56 02/24/06 (3)
- Wouldn't equalization tame the five frequency sins of the M-L? - E-Stat 07:28:07 02/25/06 (2)
- Only to a limited degree - Soundmind 07:48:21 02/25/06 (1)
- As for me - E-Stat 08:16:02 02/25/06 (1)
- Only the speakers - PabloP 18:16:13 02/24/06 (0)
- what a ridiculous post - newbilong 15:51:51 02/24/06 (7)
- just what I was thinking... - bent 21:03:36 02/24/06 (0)
- we obviously have different hobbies. - Soundmind 17:39:08 02/24/06 (5)
- Re: we obviously have different hobbies. - newbilong 20:32:55 02/25/06 (0)
- Isn't accuracy often out of our control... - 396driver 21:38:59 02/24/06 (3)
- Re: Isn't accuracy often out of our control... - Soundmind 21:47:33 02/24/06 (2)
- Yes, I can agree, but... - 396driver 22:27:28 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: Yes, I can agree, but... - Soundmind 04:22:49 02/25/06 (0)
- "Soundmind, soundbody . . . take your pick." - M3 lover 15:49:09 02/24/06 (0)
- Form Follows Function! - Phil_S 15:03:25 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: "Beauty is skin deep.... - alan m. kafton 14:48:09 02/24/06 (3)
- Re: I like that.... - Dave-A 17:49:16 02/24/06 (2)
- Re: I like that.... - alan m. kafton 20:09:04 02/24/06 (1)
- Re: I like that.... - Dave-A 08:09:50 02/25/06 (0)
- The full truth is not found in the media, so I'll settle for beauty /nt - Julien43 14:25:18 02/24/06 (1)
- My vote for best post yet... nt. - Lynn 16:45:40 02/24/06 (0)
- Interesting post.......but here's my take - John EH 14:10:41 02/24/06 (0)
- As per John Keats... - Audio Pharaoh 14:06:38 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth, every time - lanny 13:31:18 02/24/06 (0)
- unequivocably yes!! (nt) - robert young 13:07:51 02/24/06 (0)
- I want it to move me emotionally...these are the moments... - Steve Parry 12:45:06 02/24/06 (0)
- False dichotomy - JIm Kain 11:56:41 02/24/06 (1)
- Truth and Beauty perhaps are not the right terms.. - Lynn 12:09:17 02/24/06 (0)
- Both. Music = beauty. Music reproduction = truth. (nt) - Presto 11:47:05 02/24/06 (0)
- Ode on a Grecian Urn... - Enophile 11:40:28 02/24/06 (11)
- NO! He left out Goodness. [See below.] nt - clarkjohnsen 13:40:41 02/24/06 (3)
- Not according to Niesztche -t - Sordidman 20:14:26 02/24/06 (1)
- Oh he's beyond that! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:49:46 02/25/06 (0)
- Maybe we can use the equation... - Enophile 14:51:34 02/24/06 (0)
- Unless it's the "Correspondance theory of Truth" which could be - Sordidman 12:28:58 02/24/06 (3)
- 3 kinds of truth: correspondence, coherence and pragmatic - j.click 13:00:33 02/24/06 (2)
- There's a heck of a lot more than that, - indeed.... - Sordidman 13:44:38 02/24/06 (0)
- The sky is blue? - Enophile 13:28:35 02/24/06 (0)
- To paraphrase Woody Allen - 4season 11:57:46 02/24/06 (2)
- Ya gotta luv Woody, even if you hate his movies ( nt ) - Sean 14:05:49 02/24/06 (1)
- I loved him until... - Enophile 14:56:18 02/24/06 (0)
- Goodness! A meditation for Friday's Children. - clarkjohnsen 11:34:50 02/24/06 (3)
- The erudite Clark - Feanor 06:11:37 02/28/06 (0)
- Thanks for a fun post. - Enophile 14:49:48 02/24/06 (1)
- Thank you! A coupla things: - clarkjohnsen 08:48:25 02/25/06 (0)
- If I must choose, I choos truth. I'd like both however. - Schu 11:32:31 02/24/06 (0)
- Re: Which do you prefer, Truth or Beauty. - jfz 11:31:25 02/24/06 (0)
- Beauty is in the EAR of the beholder! (nt) - DevillEars 11:19:46 02/24/06 (0)
- Often, they are one and the same..... -t - Sordidman 11:19:44 02/24/06 (2)
- Agreed! - HiFi Guy 11:24:46 02/24/06 (1)
- I've learned a few things that i think relates to this... - Sordidman 12:27:06 02/24/06 (0)
- The beautiful truth can be harmoniously presented. I'm for that...N/T - musetap 11:00:58 02/24/06 (0)
- Truth (music) is beautiful... - mkuller 11:00:20 02/24/06 (7)
- Re: Agreed Truth=Beauty - Dave-A 17:59:33 02/24/06 (0)
- Not really.... - Lynn 12:30:26 02/24/06 (5)
- What is "Truth".... - mkuller 13:25:14 02/24/06 (4)
- I like that definition as far as it goes - Feanor 06:19:57 02/28/06 (0)
- "Live music never sound analytical" - Sordidman 13:51:19 02/24/06 (2)
- Come on... - mkuller 14:43:59 02/24/06 (1)
- Sound quality - Sordidman 14:51:07 02/24/06 (0)
- Insted of writing a paragaph, I will say this... - Audiopolous 10:49:18 02/24/06 (6)
- A very careful, blended balance of both. - Lynn 12:12:41 02/24/06 (0)
- Agreed! nt - Budrew 11:11:53 02/24/06 (0)
- Ditto. You found the words for which I was searching. Grazie mille. -nt- - TopPop 11:00:42 02/24/06 (0)
- So then, in which piece of equipment would you tolerate inaccuracy to get that balance? - HiFi Guy 10:57:51 02/24/06 (1)
- It al depends on what is doing what to know where to add accuracy, or musicality. -t- - Audiopolous 17:08:56 02/24/06 (0)
- Abso-toot-ly right! (nt) - EBerlin 10:51:49 02/24/06 (0)
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