In Reply to: Re: There is no such thing as proof... posted by andy19191 on November 10, 2005 at 17:32:35:
>It is straightforward to prove an audible change.>If you believe 'amateur audio DBTs with music' can do this, you must also believe all amplifiers sound the same and the earth is flat.
>It is also fairly easy to establih a statistical preference: "9 out of 10 cats prefer Whiskas" will have been checked by the advertising standards authority for supporting evidence. As will "9 out of 10 cats prefer Kitty-Chunks".>
Know of any audio manufacturers making similar claims?
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - a techie's view of audiophilia and tweakery - troporobo 18:46:28 11/09/05 (82)
- Re: a techie's view of audiophilia and tweakery - batsumaru 10:03:34 11/11/05 (1)
- Oh my ... the *moral* argument. How novel. Yaaaaaaaaaaawn. nt - bjh 12:18:13 11/11/05 (0)
- Opus MM's for $30grand? I think he is on the mark here - chris e. 15:51:28 11/10/05 (0)
- I have a Living Will that states that should I become Chronically Reformed - bjh 13:31:43 11/10/05 (1)
- We were born before the wind... - Wellfed 13:20:09 11/11/05 (0)
- He happened to focus on Audio. Kinda twerp that would enjoy - musetap 12:54:15 11/10/05 (8)
- "A parasite." Naw, he's bigger than that. Try "leech". nt - clarkjohnsen 13:16:05 11/10/05 (7)
- How so? Is he making any money off his skepticism? nt - Jackaro 13:27:46 11/10/05 (6)
- Re: How so? Is he making any money off his skepticism? nt - musetap 14:59:47 11/10/05 (5)
- And that would be more parasitic than... - Jackaro 15:55:24 11/10/05 (4)
- Sure he's chosen the extreme examples to mock, they're - musetap 08:51:53 11/11/05 (1)
- Besides, $30K speaker cable might mate well with these... - musetap 10:23:23 11/11/05 (0)
- Re: Precisely - Dave-A 18:29:39 11/10/05 (2)
- While tripping on a hallucinogenic... - Wellfed 20:56:23 11/10/05 (0)
- A third-degree incompetent. - Al Sekela 11:46:05 11/10/05 (0)
- "Pure shite." - Somebody obviously isn't working hard enough on his ad copy. - Tom Dawson 09:40:44 11/10/05 (2)
- it's a British variant (nt) - CD 13:18:11 11/10/05 (1)
- I hear it in the US as a "polite" alternative to the original. - markrohr 13:22:19 11/10/05 (0)
- Worth noting: He hasn't tried any of the stuff that he lambastes. So typical of the type! He must have a PhD... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:27:57 11/10/05 (51)
- Be reasonable, Clark! - C.B. 12:41:37 11/10/05 (10)
- Tolerance of his views would be easier if he were at least intellectually honest... - Wellfed 15:53:51 11/10/05 (3)
- I certainly wouldn't buy a $3000-$6000 volume control... - Jackaro 10:12:01 11/11/05 (1)
- You're not alone... - Wellfed 11:00:09 11/11/05 (0)
- "Intellectually dishonest." Often true of the breed. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:54:47 11/11/05 (0)
- Hey, some people buy Rolexs. Myself, I don't ever wear a watch. But the difference between you and me is... - clarkjohnsen 13:14:45 11/10/05 (5)
- You make a confusion between the luxury industry and the bullshit industry. - Jacques 04:06:34 11/11/05 (4)
- Exactly . . . - JefferyK 10:22:09 11/11/05 (1)
- I think a definition is in order here... - Wellfed 11:07:58 11/11/05 (0)
- So there's no pride of ownership in audio? LOL! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:53:22 11/11/05 (1)
- YES, there is pride of ownership in audio! - Jacques 09:28:49 11/11/05 (0)
- PHD = Pile High & Deep (nt) - DaveInVA 10:43:37 11/10/05 (2)
- Re: PHD = Pile High & Deep (nt) - morricab 06:20:19 11/11/05 (0)
- with such anti-science reasoning,... - Jacques 04:19:33 11/11/05 (0)
- Just count yourself lucky that apparently nobody's tipped him off about the '"Clever" Little Clock' yet. - Tom Dawson 09:49:11 11/10/05 (0)
- Re: Worth noting: He hasn't tried any of the stuff that he lambastes. So typical of the type! He must have a PhD... nt - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:36:54 11/10/05 (1)
- Well ain't that sweet! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:19:36 11/10/05 (0)
- It's up to those who claim those things make an audible difference to prove it. - Pat D 09:15:20 11/10/05 (32)
- No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:34:13 11/10/05 (31)
- Methinks I hear a bitter man too - Feanor 09:40:43 11/13/05 (1)
- Quite happy, thanks.I enjoy good sound and great music. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:41:18 11/13/05 (0)
- You know, you're right Clark, you never know until you try... - Jackaro 12:59:56 11/10/05 (0)
- Not a logical alternative. - Pat D 12:46:59 11/10/05 (12)
- "The burden of proof is on those who claim something is so." There is NO BURDEN... - clarkjohnsen 13:09:15 11/10/05 (11)
- Re: "The burden of proof is on those who claim something is so." There is NO BURDEN... - Pat D 19:24:32 11/10/05 (1)
- "I can only interpret this as meaning that you do not think they make an audible difference." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 07:51:22 11/11/05 (0)
- Re: "The burden of proof is on those who claim something is so." There is NO BURDEN... - andy19191 14:17:33 11/10/05 (8)
- Re: "The burden of proof is on those who claim something is so." There is NO BURDEN... - ClarkK 10:12:48 11/11/05 (0)
- There is no such thing as proof... - mkuller 15:03:05 11/10/05 (6)
- Re: There is no such thing as proof... - morricab 06:25:07 11/11/05 (1)
- I'm curious... - Wellfed 11:11:27 11/11/05 (0)
- Re: There is no such thing as proof... - andy19191 17:32:35 11/10/05 (3)
- Proof? - mkuller 09:32:48 11/11/05 (1)
- Re: Proof? - andy19191 11:37:59 11/11/05 (0)
- " It is straightforward to prove an audible change. " That HAS to be... - clarkjohnsen 07:43:54 11/11/05 (0)
- Re: No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - andy19191 10:05:16 11/10/05 (14)
- Re: No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - David Aiken 10:54:14 11/10/05 (13)
- Re: No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - andy19191 13:46:07 11/10/05 (10)
- Re: No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - David Aiken 15:55:10 11/10/05 (9)
- Re: No it isn't. Rather, it's up to you to learn, or remain a bitter man. nt - andy19191 17:21:12 11/10/05 (8)
- Several comments… - David Aiken 23:32:21 11/10/05 (7)
- Re: Several comments… - andy19191 09:34:47 11/11/05 (5)
- Re: Several comments… - David Aiken 16:00:04 11/11/05 (4)
- Re: Several comments… - andy19191 06:50:57 11/12/05 (3)
- Re: Several comments… - David Aiken 16:13:15 11/12/05 (2)
- Re: Several comments… - andy19191 06:37:18 11/13/05 (1)
- Re: Several comments… - David Aiken 14:33:23 11/13/05 (0)
- Thanks, but hardly worth your effort. The man appears hopeless. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:58:12 11/11/05 (0)
- Beats me how he missed that. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:11:43 11/10/05 (0)
- If he's going by ad copy - markrohr 12:25:15 11/10/05 (0)
- So, what is your experience with the Ferrari tweak ? (nt) - csero 08:36:39 11/10/05 (0)
- ROTFL - great stuff!! /nt\ - Andy Bonnette 06:28:56 11/10/05 (0)
- Re: a techie's view of audiophilia and tweakery - andy19191 22:44:53 11/09/05 (2)
- different kinds of techies - troporobo 23:22:07 11/09/05 (1)
- I'm in IT, hate needing a cell phone, and own no MP3 player... and I'm 21! (nm) - the_stranger 00:09:23 11/10/05 (0)
- Sometimes it does seem like medicine before science - AMSTAFF 21:01:37 11/09/05 (0)
- He seems like an a priori type to me... - Wellfed 19:40:26 11/09/05 (6)
- Well, he does say he is a "reformed audiophile"... :-) - JimL 20:27:43 11/09/05 (4)
- You can tell from the Brasso reference ... - Dave Pogue 05:00:01 11/10/05 (1)
- If not an amusing hobby, certainly bemusing. An amusing thread though!... - musetap 12:16:00 11/11/05 (0)
- And he also mentions... - Wellfed 22:16:20 11/09/05 (0)
- Audiophile gear & prison cells don't mix too well... - nt - DevillEars 21:51:42 11/09/05 (0)
- well, I did say it was sarcastic - troporobo 20:15:51 11/09/05 (0)
Follow Ups
- Proof? - mkuller 09:32:48 11/11/05 (1)
- Re: Proof? - andy19191 11:37:59 11/11/05 (0)