Monster Cable v Monster Vintage, I tried to make some back-channel peace

Posted by Ray Kimber (M) on February 12, 2005 at 09:05:53

During the time that Monster Cable had the active lawsuit against Monster Vintage, Monster Vintage was not using any particular â€œlogoâ€ Cathy was just using a large font that said MonsterVintage.

Monster Cable withdrew the lawsuit the last few days of December.

Monster Vintage returned their original logo to their website sometime after that.

It was at this time, around the middle of January, that I had my first look at the original Monster Vintage Logo. My thought was that the Monster Vintage logo did have a passing resemblance to the MC logo, but hey! Monster Cable had withdrawn the lawsuit and, seemingly, any objection to the logo.

Then came the exchange of posts between Jim Klar (of Monster Cable), myself and others in about the 3rd week of January. Jim was expressing heartburn about the Monster Vintage site listing $24 million instead of $6 million in connection with the re-naming of Candlestick Park to Monster Park . He also was expressing heartburn about the return of the original Monster Vintage logo.

I called Victor and Cathy to ask them about both items.

Regarding the $24 million; it was essentially a typo. Victor had agreed to change it way back in the 3rd week of Jan, doing so back then slipped his mind, but it is corrected now.

Regarding the logo, I found out that Cathy had paid a local art student a small amount to design the original logo. I am also told that Cathy and Victor are literally too broke to have a new logo designed, the MC lawsuit objecting to the original logo had been withdrawn, so they had put the original logo back up. But given Jimâ€™s posted feelings I thought I would try and heal some wounds on both sides.

I told Victor that I would be willing to have the KK graphics guys design a new logo that would better reflect the â€œvintageâ€ feel of their business. He was delighted!! I told him that I didnâ€™t want any payment or recognition and that if the new logo didnâ€™t suit him we would give some other designs a couple of tries.

In the meantime I privately contacted Jim to not grind on the logo issue for a few days, so I could get some designs completed and see if Monster Vintage likes them. I also tell Jim I wonâ€™t grind him about checking on the sockpuppets. While Jim didnâ€™t agree to check on the sockpuppets I told him I would stop asking, to let any real or imagined internal MC sockpuppet investigation to proceed in peace for a few days.

I send a new Monster Vintage logo to Cathy and Victor Jan 29, this is a Saturday, yes we worked overtime to get it done. I hear back from them the following week that they think it is wonderful, but that they will have to get with the person that helps them with the Monster Vintage web site to get it changed. It would be a few days before that could happen, something about the format or whatever.

Iâ€™m not concerned about a few days of delay because Monster Cable has withdrawn their lawsuit, Jim is giving me some breathing space, Monster Vintage likes the new logo. My thought is that in a few days the logo thorn-of-contention will be fixed to everyoneâ€™s benefit.

Well as of yesterday it isnâ€™t getting changed so I call Victor to see if they need something more, help with format or anything. Victor informs me that Dave Tognotti had called them a couple of days ago and was re-protesting the use of the original logo. Yes!!?! boys and girls the self same logo that was part-and-parcel of the withdrawn lawsuit?!? Now Victor, madder than a hornet, is of a mind to just leave the original logo, Iâ€™m not sure I blame him. WHAT?? On earth was going through Dave Tognottiâ€™s mind to call Monster Vintage and verbally protest the use of the logo after Monster Cable withdrew the lawsuit that was objecting to the use of the logo? Anyway Dave IMHO royally screwed up!

Victor talks about that call from Dave Tognotti on the Monster Vintage web site, link below

BTW. I also won the recent Monster Vintage eBay auction for the Smashed and Destroyed Monster Cable with the piece of Vintage faux fur and with copies of the legal documents surrounding the Monster Cable v Monster Vintage lawsuit and conflict. After skimming through a couple of hundred pages I feel even more sorrow and sympathy for Monster Vintage. Since these documents are public record I will scan them next week and post them somewhere so folks can read them and draw their own conclusions. I also had NO problem figuring out which was Monster Vintage and which was Monster Cable.

Be sure to look at the current eBay auctions of Monster Vintage, my Cat Stevens roadie jacket has 10 bids, Woo Hoo!! makes me happy to help Cathy and Victor

Ray Kimber

http://www.monstervintage.com/ (Open in New Window)

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Topic - Monster Cable v Monster Vintage, I tried to make some back-channel peace - Ray Kimber 09:05:53 02/12/05 (39)

Re: Monster Cable v Monster Vintage, I tried to make some back-channel peace - mnstrre@yahoo.com 16:08:38 02/14/05 (2)

You should be ashamed to be an employee!!! - bstan 09:36:30 02/15/05 (0)

Yeah Ray, please stop telling the truth. Pretty please .... - Jack Seaton 07:10:44 02/15/05 (0)

Re: Monster Cable v Monster Vintage, I tried to make some back-channel peace - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 13:52:21 02/14/05 (0)

Thanks for keeping us informed, Ray - Todd B. 15:56:34 02/13/05 (0)

What did you expect, Ray? They thought that the dust had settled and that everyone here was tired of the topic. - Jack Seaton 14:44:03 02/13/05 (5)

Re: What did you expect, Ray? They thought that the dust had settled and that everyone here was tired of the topic. - Ray Kimber 07:47:19 02/14/05 (4)

About that insincerity: a hypocritical quote from Noel Lee in an interview - Todd B. 22:48:49 02/14/05 (1)

This just keeps getting better and better .. - Jack Seaton 06:33:38 02/15/05 (0)

a few comments on the details - Bruce from DC 13:22:58 02/14/05 (1)

Re: a few comments on the details - Ray Kimber 14:16:22 02/14/05 (0)

Monster Cable - Bambi B 08:46:57 02/13/05 (0)

Thanks for your posts, Ray. - Hi-Fi Nut 20:14:45 02/12/05 (0)

Hmm... their logos are AWFULLY similar - Howie 20:12:52 02/12/05 (2)

Yes they are - agattu 03:17:29 02/13/05 (1)

Danged Silly Technicality - Ray Kimber 07:25:16 02/13/05 (0)

How much is too much? - badman 19:51:46 02/12/05 (0)

thanks for yet another worthless post Ray :( (nt) - LeasingGuy 17:27:24 02/12/05 (10)

Don't like it? Change the channel. - subcoolman 19:43:20 02/13/05 (0)

It truly is a worthless post.... - uw312@aol.com 08:29:08 02/13/05 (1)

Re: It truly is a worthless post.... - Ray Kimber 09:55:05 02/13/05 (0)

Re: thanks for yet another worthless post Ray :( (nt) - dave derrick 18:04:56 02/12/05 (6)

For Kimber itâ€™s NOT a hobby â€“ itâ€™s a BUSINESS - Caymus 18:28:58 02/12/05 (5)

Re: For Kimber itâ€™s NOT a hobby â€“ itâ€™s a BUSINESS - dave derrick 17:50:01 02/13/05 (0)

It shows your lack of comprehension, that's all ... - Jack Seaton 14:24:23 02/13/05 (0)

ZZZZZzzz. (NTrequired) - DeKay 00:04:18 02/13/05 (0)

Where Mobster Cable is concerned, I bloody well hope so! - Steve Cortez 18:59:48 02/12/05 (1)

Re: Where Mobster Cable is concerned, I bloody well hope so! - laznos 20:28:47 02/12/05 (0)

Thank you very much for the informative updatesâ€¦â€¦â€¦ - three_sox 16:28:21 02/12/05 (0)

Ok, Ray, you got most people's support regarding the Monster issue.... - uw312@aol.com 11:22:13 02/12/05 (6)

You read posts like you read billboards - bwkendall 14:33:46 02/12/05 (1)

LOL! (nt) - subcoolman 19:45:17 02/13/05 (0)

Oh dear...... Once again you seem to have gone out of your way to display your boorish character.... - feet's too big 12:51:01 02/12/05 (0)

I disagree too... - AbeCollins 12:41:57 02/12/05 (0)

I disagree.... - Cetaele 11:47:26 02/12/05 (1)

yup - CD 13:49:26 02/12/05 (0)

What the F**** is wrong with Monster Cable!!!??... is DT so free to phone harass innocent people???(nt) - Steve Cortez 09:45:00 02/12/05 (2)

Not trying to defend 'em but... - Chris_F 12:02:19 02/12/05 (1)

Re: Not trying to defend 'em but... - Ray Kimber 13:56:02 02/12/05 (0)

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