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In Reply to: Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and posted by TBone on February 21, 2002 at 09:57:50:
on a test bench, my $300 CD player is more perfect than a Rega - probably more perfect than any record player. Just that when I compare, the results are embarrassing.Yes I do make the general statement, PCM digital (or 16/44.1 !) is capable of perfectly good sound. But it is incapable of music. And the problem is not the hardware.
It does not have to sound perfect to sound like music. Conversely, just because it sounds perfect it does not mean it will sound like music.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - What's the best strategy, buy SACD, DVD, HDCD or wait? - Ron 06:28:11 02/20/02 (129)
- Get a SACD player with better CD playback than your current player - Stephen 14:36:40 02/21/02 (4)
- Precisely and Hopefully - Robertc88 06:36:34 02/22/02 (0)
- I recently "upgraded"... - BS64 15:49:28 02/21/02 (2)
- Re: I recently "upgraded"... - JayD 18:28:32 02/21/02 (1)
- Even If there Are No Titles - Robertc88 06:38:40 02/22/02 (0)
- Aren't Folks Spending MORE on CDPs to Best SACD players?? - Robertc88 13:18:56 02/21/02 (2)
- We're spending more on CDPs to get better CD playback. (nt) - brinkmann 17:35:04 02/21/02 (1)
- Hopefully the Effort is Beating CD Playback on SACD Players - Robertc88 06:33:37 02/22/02 (0)
- Its a VERY easy choice - Rodney Gold 21:02:59 02/20/02 (33)
- A turntable? :) nt - StylinLP 10:57:00 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Not so easy... - JayD 13:57:23 02/21/02 (25)
- Exactly!! - Robertc88 08:48:02 02/22/02 (5)
- Re: Exactly!! - JayD 13:22:39 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Exactly!! - Jack G 13:13:09 02/22/02 (3)
- Not Sure I Understand - Robertc88 06:16:56 02/23/02 (2)
- Re: Not Sure I Understand - Jack G 12:26:39 02/23/02 (1)
- Re: Not Sure I Understand - JayD 13:58:11 02/23/02 (0)
- Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - theob 17:40:44 02/21/02 (18)
- Re: Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - Jack G 18:12:48 02/21/02 (17)
- Buy cd's since you get very good performance on Sony SACD players as well. nt - theob 19:42:51 02/21/02 (15)
- As good or better than a hi-end CDP? - Jack G 03:39:07 02/22/02 (14)
- Not Many Are Admitting - Robertc88 08:43:07 02/22/02 (13)
- What Many Are Admitting is that the SCD1 can hold it's own versus... - theob 18:14:47 02/22/02 (12)
- why go there???? - TBone 08:06:06 02/26/02 (0)
- LOL! Just hang on a minute there will you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:26:33 02/23/02 (5)
- I wouldn't take Heart Over 9000ES! - Robertc88 06:30:13 02/24/02 (1)
- But you haven`t heard it Robert! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:19:34 02/24/02 (0)
- I said it was a minority opinion. But I have heard owner's of audio salon's... - theob 15:31:47 02/23/02 (2)
- Re: I said it was a minority opinion. But I have heard owner's of audio salon's... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 03:09:37 02/24/02 (1)
- I believe it was an early review of the scd1 in HFN&RR. nt - theob 05:33:22 02/24/02 (0)
- Couldn't Find Better Deal Than - Robertc88 08:44:31 02/23/02 (4)
- What is it with you and multichannel? (nt) - Jack G 12:28:11 02/23/02 (3)
- Don't You Understand? - Robertc88 03:55:34 02/24/02 (2)
- Yes, do you? - Jack G 13:55:26 02/25/02 (1)
- Jack ... - TBone 08:11:33 02/26/02 (0)
- Re: Agree and to further clarify at least my beliefs... - JayD 18:25:48 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: Its a VERY easy choice - Paul-D 10:13:06 02/21/02 (0)
- S/W needs - s.hum 06:45:24 02/21/02 (3)
- ditto that (nt) - brinkmann 17:36:58 02/21/02 (0)
- Well said, indeed ... - Mike K 10:49:13 02/21/02 (0)
- well said <nt> - TBone 07:44:49 02/21/02 (0)
- I concur (NT) - janis 03:52:24 02/21/02 (0)
- Wait for Blue Ray apperently....(nt) - brinkmann 13:28:44 02/20/02 (2)
- This reminds me of being single and always looking over the shoulder of my 'partner of the evening' - theob 05:33:43 02/23/02 (1)
- Sorry. I meant that to come across sarchastically. (nt) - brinkmann 09:06:27 02/23/02 (0)
- SACD sounds great, but...... - Dreamtime1 13:26:26 02/20/02 (7)
- Re: SACD sounds great, but...... - doug brown 21:20:40 02/21/02 (1)
- CE7775 - You Got What You Paid For!! NT - Robertc88 08:47:33 02/23/02 (0)
- How much was Cary? How much was 333ES? NT - Robertc88 13:06:26 02/21/02 (4)
- Re: How much was Cary? How much was 333ES? NT - Dreamtime1 19:15:24 02/21/02 (3)
- Enjoy Your Purchase - Robertc88 10:19:01 02/23/02 (0)
- You Doubled The Price For Better CD Playback!! - Robertc88 08:50:01 02/23/02 (1)
- That's right..... - Dreamtime1 21:18:14 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: What's the best strategy, buy SACD, DVD, HDCD or wait? - jimd 12:55:43 02/20/02 (0)
- SACD - ELN 09:37:32 02/20/02 (69)
- Psst, ELN, er mon or is it Zen, Will or Tired? - Rod M 05:49:16 02/22/02 (0)
- Probably playing CD's on his SACD machine.... - AbeCollins 19:26:48 02/20/02 (21)
- Most SACD adopters compared SACD with CD playback by established CDPs - DkB 22:20:35 02/20/02 (20)
- your forgetting about the common denominator ... - TBone 07:14:03 02/21/02 (1)
- Glaring perception - DkB 23:10:14 02/28/02 (0)
- Right on the nose! - malinowsky 10:51:50 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: Most SACD adopters compared SACD with CD playback by established CDPs - Ted Smith 23:38:37 02/20/02 (17)
- BUT ... let me quote you - TBone 07:42:39 02/21/02 (16)
- Yes, however.. - Ted Smith 10:34:30 02/21/02 (15)
- well ... anyway you cut it ... - TBone 11:27:42 02/21/02 (14)
- Let me try again :) - Ted Smith 11:37:50 02/21/02 (13)
- I may be missing something ... but - TBone 12:11:36 02/21/02 (12)
- I've been trying to correct your facts :) - Ted Smith 12:31:36 02/21/02 (11)
- got it ... - TBone 12:55:21 02/21/02 (10)
- It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - AbeCollins 22:52:07 02/21/02 (9)
- "get fine sounding music from my entire CD collection" - Stephen 16:53:15 02/23/02 (2)
- OK, I get fine sounding music from *most* of my CD collection... - AbeCollins 22:02:18 02/24/02 (1)
- I'm sorry too, Abe . . . . - dkb 21:24:38 03/01/02 (0)
- The realization will hit you too one day! (nt) - Stephen 22:22:56 02/24/02 (0)
- Does Abe listen to a lot of classical music? - DkB 21:22:08 03/01/02 (0)
- Couldn`t agree more Abe - when the dust... - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:37:54 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - RFM 01:26:25 02/23/02 (2)
- geez - what crap ... - TBone 06:42:06 02/25/02 (0)
- Re: It's a matter of priority and value judgement... - AbeCollins 16:45:08 02/24/02 (0)
- Well said. (nt) - Jack G 13:15:21 02/22/02 (0)
- Hey Abe ... - TBone 07:51:16 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - Jack G 13:26:45 02/20/02 (8)
- How low do they have to drop and how many titles need there be? - Chris Garrett 20:54:27 02/20/02 (5)
- 573? Whoopee! - Jack G 03:25:26 02/21/02 (4)
- Your wish is Albany's command, this is the first label to sell their SACDs and CDs for exactly the - Teresa 23:45:13 02/21/02 (1)
- Re: the sound of 2 hands clapping! - Bruce from DC 06:52:51 02/22/02 (0)
- That's your prerogative, to be sure.. - Chris Garrett 09:28:57 02/21/02 (1)
- Quite right - Jack G 13:54:35 02/21/02 (0)
- Well I do have 300+ CDs. - ELN 15:11:23 02/20/02 (1)
- Re: Well I do have 300+ CDs. - Jack G 03:27:31 02/21/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - TBone 09:48:08 02/20/02 (36)
- oh thats too bad - mon 11:22:22 02/20/02 (28)
- Re: oh thats too bad - TBone 12:31:36 02/20/02 (27)
- I was skeptical too - mon 15:20:04 02/20/02 (26)
- How 'bout.................... - Chris Garrett 20:57:21 02/20/02 (23)
- Marantz and Sony SACD Players and - mon 21:48:58 02/20/02 (22)
- Nope ... not in my experience - TBone 06:50:18 02/21/02 (21)
- Mark Levinson the man prefers the Sony DVP-S9000ES over the $13,000 2 Piece Mark Levinson CD/DA - Teresa 23:52:08 02/21/02 (14)
- Hmmm ... - TBone 07:56:38 02/22/02 (0)
- Re: Mark Levinson the man prefers the Sony DVP-S9000ES over the $13,000 2 Piece Mark Levinson CD/DA - Frank I 06:52:07 02/22/02 (12)
- So? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 11:45:29 02/23/02 (0)
- my pre-amp is Tube, and I do like Reference Recordings LPs a lot, can hardly wait for their SACDs! - Teresa 02:26:00 02/23/02 (10)
- Re: my pre-amp is Tube, and I do like Reference Recordings LPs a lot, can hardly wait for their SACD - Frank I 06:58:58 02/23/02 (9)
- I sold my SOTA Comet Turnable with Alpha Genesis 1000II Moving Coil cartridge after hearing - Teresa 11:06:09 02/23/02 (8)
- you are ... - TBone 06:52:27 02/25/02 (4)
- Most of those were Audiophile LPs and many have allready been replace on SACD, I have 200 SACDs! - Teresa 11:07:15 02/25/02 (3)
- YOUR KIDDIN ME ... RIGHT - TBone 07:29:31 02/26/02 (2)
- Wrong - SACD is the greatest musical advance in history!!! - Teresa 21:01:49 02/26/02 (1)
- The greatest advance ??? - TBone 06:34:38 02/27/02 (0)
- yes SACD is what music was meant to be, I am not joking! If you are not listening to SACD you are - Teresa 20:33:57 02/27/02 (0)
- Teresa ... your fanatically funny!!! - TBone 06:41:08 02/28/02 (0)
- TBone what are you afraid of? Audio salvation is here and you turn your back. - Teresa 10:49:17 02/28/02 (0)
- nothing ... - TBone 12:58:31 02/28/02 (0)
- I give up you can remain in CD hell! Just don't drag me down with you, I love music too much! (nt) - Teresa 01:02:26 03/01/02 (0)
- Awe ... maybe i need an exorcism!!! - TBone 06:59:54 03/01/02 (0)
- You're deliberately BS-ing all over this thread, ain't you Terry baby :-) - momo 13:46:39 02/23/02 (2)
- Yes I sold all my Audiophile LPs, while I love the sound of Vinyl, I hate the care and feeding of LP - Teresa 22:09:24 02/23/02 (0)
- Re: You're deliberately BS-ing all over this thread, ain't you Terry baby :-) - Frank I 15:27:19 02/23/02 (0)
- yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - mon 09:48:48 02/21/02 (5)
- Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - TBone 09:57:50 02/21/02 (4)
- Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - mon 10:49:42 02/21/02 (3)
- Once again ... - TBone 11:10:57 02/21/02 (2)
- no, i expect my system to - mon 13:31:25 02/21/02 (1)
- ridiculas ... - TBone 07:58:45 02/22/02 (0)
- Yah, so what's your point..... - AbeCollins 19:29:36 02/20/02 (1)
- Re: Yah, so what's your point..... - mon 22:14:30 02/20/02 (0)
- Re: SACD - ELN 11:14:57 02/20/02 (0)
- Exactly! Bad CD player = bad sound, good CD player = good sound. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:03:57 02/20/02 (5)
- Also: Good CD player = good sound, good SACD player = great music! <nt>. [nt] - Methos 10:33:41 02/20/02 (4)
- Also, good SACD = "Where`s the music?" (CD = 2 million+) [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 23:01:25 02/20/02 (3)
- Chris I have almost 200 fantastic SACDs, musically and sonically. (nt) - Teresa 23:56:05 02/21/02 (0)
- Ah well, you've got me there! Time to spin my Boston disc again! : ( - Methos 09:10:58 02/21/02 (1)
- Re: Ah well, you've got me there! Time to spin my Boston disc again! : ( - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 06:22:59 02/23/02 (0)
- It depends. - Alex Yakovlev 07:31:02 02/20/02 (0)
- Rick, Ron ....whoever you are - TBone 07:08:28 02/20/02 (3)
- We 3 brothers share an audio e-mail portal, Rick, Ron, and Gene. - Ron 07:40:54 02/20/02 (2)
- How about "My 3 Brothers" (nt) - Jim D. 08:35:54 02/20/02 (1)
- But Wouldn't That Make Four Of Them? (nt) - Luminator 10:20:21 02/20/02 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: yes, CDs do sound "perfect" and - mon 10:49:42 02/21/02 (3)
- Once again ... - TBone 11:10:57 02/21/02 (2)
- no, i expect my system to - mon 13:31:25 02/21/02 (1)
- ridiculas ... - TBone 07:58:45 02/22/02 (0)
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