In Reply to: For Ray Kimber: Over on the goN' a person moniker "badgirl' seems to have an awful lot of Kimber for sale posted by Elizabeth on January 11, 2011 at 06:25:54:
'cause if Kimber is having their cable made overseas, particularly in Asia and especially in China then "phoney" may not mean counterfeit.I've seen genuine Audioquest and PS Audio cables being sold from China sans any packaging. These items are indeed the real deal from the real factory made with the genuine materials.
I used to have a problem with this, but, if you choose to manufacture in Asia and especially China based on low cost/high margins then that's part of the cost of business.
I've seen factory new $220 1 meter AQ King Cobras on ebay for $46 from China. When compared to the same thing ordered from an "authorized dealer" they look, measure, feel, perform and even smell the same.
When I see that and factor in the cost of importation and packaging I'm not bothered by the Chinese sellers that offer "genuine" phoneys. Who the hell cares about authorized dealers when you're getting taken for a chump?
Have you ever seen Audio Advisor's "no frill, no packaging" cables from AQ and Kimber? What do you suppose these are?
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Edits: 01/11/11
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Follow Ups
- What do you mean by "phoney"? - jihad 07:34:00 01/11/11 (37)
- Ray Kimber - unclestu 14:01:52 01/11/11 (11)
- Incidentally, - unclestu 11:53:27 01/12/11 (0)
- Kimber website - jihad 16:21:52 01/11/11 (9)
- What is rather - unclestu 12:48:26 01/12/11 (7)
- Please reread. - jihad 17:53:38 01/12/11 (6)
- Nice attempt at backpedalling... - unclestu 14:06:20 01/13/11 (5)
- In fact she's making unsupported and unsubstantiated malicious claims based on speculation. - jihad 16:13:47 01/13/11 (3)
- Not speculation. the 'person' selling this stuff is clearly lying - Elizabeth 17:45:08 01/14/11 (0)
- Pot calling the kettle black (NT) - unclestu 11:40:20 01/14/11 (1)
- Example? - jihad 13:43:01 01/14/11 (0)
- I'm not backpeddling at all. - jihad 15:22:19 01/13/11 (0)
- RE: Kimber website thanks for the link. nt - Elizabeth 17:06:05 01/11/11 (0)
- RE: What do you mean by "phoney"? - Scottson 09:51:33 01/11/11 (24)
- RE: audiogon oyaide seller - jmkochevar 21:05:39 01/11/11 (2)
- RE: audiogon oyaide seller - Scottson 09:59:37 01/12/11 (1)
- RE: audiogon oyaide seller - jmkochevar 13:33:35 01/12/11 (0)
- RE: What do you mean by "phoney"? - jihad 10:00:30 01/11/11 (20)
- RE: What do you mean by "phoney"? - Scottson 10:53:05 01/11/11 (19)
- RE: What do you mean by "phoney"? - jihad 11:10:01 01/11/11 (18)
- RE: What do you mean by "phoney"? - Scottson 14:54:35 01/11/11 (0)
- Hey let's all rip off the manufacturer just cuz... WTF? - Elizabeth 11:34:41 01/11/11 (16)
- Why not? They're ripping you off. - jihad 12:00:40 01/11/11 (15)
- RE: Why not? ahhh................................... no further comment from me. nt - Elizabeth 12:21:40 01/11/11 (14)
- Good, I don't know anyone that would pay 480% more for the same thing. - jihad 12:48:12 01/11/11 (13)
- I am not interested in discussing the BS you are spouting, not that it matters to you. THAT is why, not 'cuz - Elizabeth 16:45:05 01/11/11 (2)
- There is no BS in what I spout. - jihad 19:15:20 01/11/11 (0)
- RE: I am not interested in discussing the BS you are spouting, not that it matters to you. THAT is why, not 'cuz - jihad 19:14:23 01/11/11 (0)
- 100 to 1 - unclestu 14:12:16 01/11/11 (9)
- Which of "those" are you talking about? - jihad 14:25:12 01/11/11 (8)
- In a global economy - unclestu 11:43:39 01/12/11 (7)
- Stu, - jihad 18:01:58 01/12/11 (5)
- RE: Stu, - crom 05:58:11 01/13/11 (4)
- I wasn't talking about blatant copies or rip offs. - jihad 06:43:14 01/13/11 (3)
- RE: I wasn't talking about blatant copies or rip offs. - mschneider 14:23:31 01/13/11 (2)
- RE: I wasn't talking about blatant copies or rip offs. - jihad 15:26:17 01/13/11 (1)
- RE: I wasn't talking about blatant copies or rip offs. - mschneider 15:46:26 01/13/11 (0)
- That's why we need taxes and tariffs (back) on goods from overseas, especially China. - jihad 16:02:41 01/12/11 (0)