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In Reply to: Vietnam War. Big Tobacco. Global warming (fossil fuels). Iraq War. posted by tinear on September 22, 2021 at 06:42:41:
Yup, news organizations are supposed to separate fact from opinion. Print newspapers & their online counterparts tend to reliably observe these boundaries. But some television news channels have been rather opinion heavy in recent years.Yup, reporting of news frequently gets bent by prepackaged government pablum. But govt is not the only party with an agenda. Corporations, public advocacy organizations, non-profits, and others often shout quite loudly to push their point of view. It's up to news organizations to sort it all out, and it's never a simple job. Top that off with news organizations being imperfect in the first place. They're often trigger happy when covering a story, not adequately checking their sources, and sometimes they run sensational stories just to grab eyeballs. All that notwithstanding, print journalism in the USA is still mostly upright, while television news is wobbling, and online journalism is often completely unreliable.
There is a good thread yesterday about whether or not a 'deep state' exists in the USA. The general public likes to believe in this sort of thing (they also like flying saucers, big foot, tin foil hats, and ivermectin too). Better sources on this topic include Wikipedia, which tags the 'deep state' as a conspiracy theory. I trust Wikipedia. Most people? Probably not... They've got Facebook!
Is the US media controlled by corporate plutocrats? Not liking to admit this, but it seems that's pretty much the case. Rich billionaires control a large portion of print and televised journalism. Honest journalism pokes through most of the time, but not all of the time. The worst case of bent journalism in my opinion is that of the Murdoch media empire, which is extensive and effective at manipulating public opinion.
I think journalism in the USA is surviving well enough, despite the collapse of print media, despite corporate and plutocratic ownership, and despite the downgrading of the public mind through social media. Journalism is a well established profession, still has a code of ethics, and somehow succeeds in reporting most stories with factual accuracy.
Just my quick opinions, mostly half-baked. I ain't no expert on any of these things.
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- Too many big topics! But I'll take a crack a few of them... - vacuous 12:54:40 09/22/21 (25)
- Here's my take on MSM: it's held to a very different standard by those who - tinear 15:01:32 09/22/21 (24)
- So the question is, which news sources are the most reliable? - vacuous 15:56:26 09/22/21 (23)
- The problem is confusing opinion with news. - ghost of olddude55 04:40:19 09/23/21 (22)
- That's a whole lot different than deliberate dissemination of disinformation. - vacuous 11:25:23 09/23/21 (21)
- But that's opinion. It's propaganda. - ghost of olddude55 12:51:11 09/23/21 (19)
- Nope (as I see it.) Opinion, however warped, is tolerable. Outright lies should never be tolerated. (nt) - vacuous 13:11:54 09/23/21 (18)
- I agree... opinion is "tolerable", but should be advertised as such... - dark_dave56 04:49:22 09/24/21 (0)
- But who watches the watchmen? - ghost of olddude55 13:38:45 09/23/21 (13)
- Who watches the watchmen? A free press does that job! It's the best way to hold govt to account. - vacuous 13:55:35 09/23/21 (12)
- But the problem is that people who eat up propaganda don't believe in the press is free. - ghost of olddude55 14:47:29 09/23/21 (10)
- RE: But the problem is that people who eat up propaganda don't believe in the press is free. - rivervalley817 15:28:47 09/23/21 (0)
- Yup. Can't stop a nation of dolts from drinking from a poisoned well... - vacuous 15:22:42 09/23/21 (8)
- You really think Congress is going to repeal the 1996 Telecommunications Act? - ghost of olddude55 16:01:08 09/23/21 (5)
- Well, there used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine. Lasted for decades. - vacuous 16:57:25 09/23/21 (4)
- We DO need the Fairness Doctrine back, but no way that's going to happen. nt. - MWE 18:36:40 09/23/21 (0)
- RE: Well, there used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine. Lasted for decades. - nilknarf 17:26:29 09/23/21 (2)
- EVERYONE has decisions made for them, often without being aware of it. It's an intrinsic part of life. nt. - MWE 18:40:55 09/23/21 (1)
- so true that. nt - nilknarf 18:50:33 09/23/21 (0)
- I read WaPo... - ghost of olddude55 15:48:50 09/23/21 (0)
- RE: Yup. Can't stop a nation of dolts from drinking from a poisoned well... - rivervalley817 15:30:48 09/23/21 (0)
- RE: Who watches the watchmen? A free press does that job! It's the best way to hold govt to account. - nilknarf 14:09:32 09/23/21 (0)
- RE: Nope (as I see it.) Opinion, however warped, is tolerable. Outright lies should never be tolerated. (nt) - nilknarf 13:26:42 09/23/21 (2)
- We're already there. - ghost of olddude55 13:42:23 09/23/21 (0)
- Now, THAT would be interesting. And likely the end of human society. nt. - MWE 13:34:00 09/23/21 (0)
- That would be ideal, but that genie is probably out of the bottle... - MWE 12:03:13 09/23/21 (0)