In Reply to: RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. posted by PakProtector on July 5, 2017 at 16:28:47:
"It looks like his advertising is directed to an audience that is getting stroked to care *NOTHING* about that 99.99999%. It studiously impugns anything but his stuff, using words that indeed have no real meaning, though they are designed to sound alarming. You're missing something! is a fine way to get a non-technical audiophile's attention it seems. His terminology panders to that non-technical back ground. They'll not have the means to understand it is a steaming pile of Marketing."
Coming at this as someone whose career has been in science, I have always been, and I remain, puzzled by the standpoint of the "extreme" audiophile community who seemingly believe that an SET amplifier is endowed with qualities beyond the understanding of science.
Looked at dispassionately, a typical SET amplifier has, as I understand it, some very obvious and almost unique characteristics, which are easily measurable by the humblest of modern equipment, which would lead one to expect that it would have some quite pronounced acoustic qualities (related to the high distortion, especially second harmonic, and perhaps a non-flat frequency response). Most people who listen to SETs seem to report that indeed they endow the music with certain very distinctive qualities.
What I have never understood is: Where is the surprise in all this? Isn't the SET amplifier giving rise to exactly the kind of qualities that one might expect, given the nature of the distortions that it displays when measured?
It is certainly interesting that the human ear and mind finds these particular kinds of distortion euphonious and pleasing. But once this experimentally-discoverable psycho-acoustic phenomenon has been understood, there is nothing remotely surprising about the fact that people can find that SETs sound nice.
What is perhaps more surprising, or more difficult to understand, is the psycho-social phenomenon of why some people will pay vast amounts of money to buy a piece of over-priced equipment that produces these particular acoustic effects, when the same thing could be achieved for far less money. The peddlers of these overpriced amplifiers seem to thrive by by presenting an assortment of pseudo-scientific "explanations" which, like the one that prompted this thread, are completely lacking in any real scientific basis. And, at the same time, a disdain for real science and an appeal to almost supernatural qualities of their products.
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- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - cpotl 05:32:13 07/06/17 (56)
- Listen for yourself - Donald North 09:13:39 07/07/17 (24)
- RE: Listen for yourself - cpotl 09:33:21 07/07/17 (23)
- RE: Listen for yourself - Donald North 10:39:56 07/07/17 (9)
- RE: Listen for yourself - cpotl 11:13:20 07/07/17 (8)
- RE: Listen for yourself - Donald North 11:35:35 07/07/17 (7)
- RE: Listen for yourself - Tre' 11:55:13 07/07/17 (6)
- you are correct - elblanco 12:27:42 07/07/17 (2)
- RE: you are correct - Tre' 15:24:30 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: you are correct - cpotl 12:43:41 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: Listen for yourself - cpotl 12:18:47 07/07/17 (2)
- RE: Listen for yourself - Paul Eizik 07:46:12 07/08/17 (0)
- RE: Listen for yourself - Tre' 15:27:42 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: Listen for yourself - TomWh 10:25:00 07/07/17 (12)
- RE: Listen for yourself - cpotl 11:56:14 07/07/17 (11)
- You also have to ask: - gusser 12:30:52 07/07/17 (10)
- RE: You also have to ask: - Donald North 14:43:37 07/07/17 (4)
- I'm only talking about power amps. - gusser 15:55:00 07/08/17 (3)
- RE: I'm only talking about power amps. - cpotl 09:52:11 07/09/17 (2)
- RE: I'm only talking about power amps. - gusser 19:08:21 07/10/17 (1)
- RE: I'm only talking about power amps. - cpotl 01:21:58 07/11/17 (0)
- RE: You also have to ask: - PakProtector 12:57:48 07/07/17 (3)
- RE: You also have to ask: - Donald North 14:40:45 07/07/17 (2)
- RE: You also have to ask: - Tre' 16:29:07 07/07/17 (1)
- RE: You also have to ask: - PakProtector 16:34:33 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: You also have to ask: - cpotl 12:52:50 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - Paul Eizik 08:59:31 07/06/17 (23)
- Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 15:28:24 07/06/17 (20)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 06:59:22 07/07/17 (18)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 07:09:21 07/07/17 (17)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 07:11:49 07/08/17 (15)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 10:11:09 07/10/17 (14)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 17:46:51 07/10/17 (13)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 18:47:18 07/10/17 (12)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 07:56:26 07/11/17 (11)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 10:00:45 07/11/17 (10)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 16:02:29 07/11/17 (9)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - LinuxGuru 14:57:36 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 19:28:10 07/12/17 (2)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - LinuxGuru 14:58:15 07/13/17 (1)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - Paul Eizik 08:04:33 07/14/17 (0)
- RE: Slew rate, TIM hogwwash - gusser 17:30:28 07/11/17 (4)
- RE: Go Gusser! - Paul Eizik 08:11:11 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: Go Gusser! - gusser 10:35:38 07/12/17 (2)
- RE: Good luck with your research and possible JAES paper! nt - Paul Eizik 18:22:23 07/12/17 (1)
- I'll add it to my two published SMPTE papers! (nt) - gusser 09:09:57 07/13/17 (0)
- while you're at it.... - PakProtector 08:18:16 07/07/17 (0)
- hogwwash - PakProtector 16:35:47 07/06/17 (0)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - PakProtector 14:45:48 07/06/17 (1)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - Paul Eizik 06:14:02 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - rage 06:04:21 07/06/17 (6)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - cpotl 01:20:24 07/07/17 (0)
- RE: harsh ... - deathtube 667 18:18:00 07/06/17 (0)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - Tre' 07:09:04 07/06/17 (3)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - TomWh 10:38:53 07/06/17 (1)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - Tre' 16:07:45 07/06/17 (0)
- RE: Dennis, you never answered the question. - rage 07:11:31 07/06/17 (0)