In Reply to: RE: "That does not mean there are no differences, but the scale certainly changes. " posted by Tony Lauck on June 19, 2010 at 11:15:12:
If a difference can not easily pass a rigorous blind test then it is probably not sonically significant.
Other than codec type tests where the only variable is which computer-controlled source file is played, are you aware of any double blind test ever peddled here that could be considered "rigorous", i.e. controlled and not governed by unproven assumptions? I certainly cannot. Your buddy E Brad doesn't understand the control concept, takes a Scarlet O'Hara "I'll worry about that tomorrow" approach or demonstrates a "I can't hear you - la la la la la la" stance. When every recording engineer has compared the direct feed of a recording through multiple resolutions and found Redbook lacking, why would E Brad ever consider that his test is fatally flawed?
The most amusing cases of control-and-logic-failure have come from our dear departed inmate Soundmind, aka SM. Don't know if your were here before his anti-social behavior got him banned here (elsewhere as well). He was a unique combination of one part engineer (not audio at that), ten parts music listener (he had a wonderful grasp of classical music), ten parts arrogance, twenty parts pomposity and another ten parts of ignorance. The first example is his "proof" that a cable is audibly perfect:
I are intelligent
Obviously, SM doesn't consider that in the real world, cables interact with sources and amplifiers that aren't in a buffer loop. Obviously, SM doesn't consider that some cables reject RFI better than others when in proximity to high concentration generators, i.e. CD/SACD players. Obviously, SM doesn't understand the circular reasoning of his assumption that because all of the $2 cables in his system are perfect, that his system itself couldn't affect the outcome. Perfect and arrogant ignorance.
The other example is explained in a series of deleted posts where he never addressed my observations, but used similar logical fallacies. He used two mediocre preamps, a Marantz 3800 and an H-K Citation 11 (I owned one of those myself thirty some years ago). He *determined* that both were audibly perfect because - and this is priceless - that because when he piped one of them through the other using his $2 interconnects, he couldn't tell any difference. Conclusion: both are audibly perfect!
I am willing to discuss these topics with anyone who demonstrates intellectual honesty. No doubt, we will see yet another fleeting appearance of one who most does not fit that description. :)
rw
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Follow Ups
- Agreed - E-Stat 12:20:33 06/19/10 (32)
- RE: Agreed - Tony Lauck 12:29:26 06/19/10 (31)
- RE: Agreed - Pat D 20:12:40 06/20/10 (24)
- RE: Agreed - Tony Lauck 07:22:56 06/21/10 (2)
- RE: Agreed - Pat D 12:59:12 06/22/10 (1)
- RE: Agreed - Tony Lauck 14:32:01 06/22/10 (0)
- No editing, Pat - E-Stat 06:37:36 06/21/10 (20)
- So now we're talking of a direct feed . . . - Pat D 08:30:33 06/21/10 (19)
- Precisely - E-Stat 08:44:56 06/21/10 (18)
- RE: Precisely - Pat D 19:47:43 06/23/10 (17)
- Have you ever heard of experience? - E-Stat 06:17:13 06/24/10 (16)
- You have a peculiarly truncated notion of experience. - Pat D 09:03:12 06/24/10 (15)
- Truncated experience? - E-Stat 10:07:32 06/24/10 (14)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Pat D 10:57:24 06/24/10 (13)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Tony Lauck 13:59:04 06/24/10 (5)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Pat D 17:10:51 06/24/10 (4)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Tony Lauck 17:37:03 06/24/10 (3)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Pat D 18:01:51 06/24/10 (2)
- RE: Truncated experience? - Tony Lauck 18:18:20 06/24/10 (1)
- The difference of course - E-Stat 18:47:53 06/24/10 (0)
- Assumptions, assumptions - E-Stat 12:13:25 06/24/10 (6)
- You're making lots of assumptions. - Pat D 16:41:07 06/24/10 (5)
- You're just too funny - E-Stat 17:30:11 06/24/10 (4)
- RE: You're just too funny - Tony Lauck 18:06:28 06/24/10 (3)
- Which ones have you heard... - E-Stat 18:43:21 06/24/10 (2)
- RE: Which ones have you heard... - Tony Lauck 19:30:30 06/24/10 (1)
- :) - E-Stat 20:38:56 06/24/10 (0)
- That begs the obvious question - E-Stat 12:33:43 06/19/10 (5)
- Maslow's Hammer? - Tony Lauck 13:34:37 06/19/10 (4)
- "Some time ago" - E-Stat 13:50:21 06/19/10 (3)
- RE: "Some time ago" - Tony Lauck 14:55:49 06/19/10 (1)
- If you recall - E-Stat 16:05:17 06/19/10 (0)
- Thanks! - kerr 14:21:26 06/19/10 (0)