Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - john curl

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Topic - What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Dan Banquer 12:58:08 08/21/06 (204)

That would depend. If the circuit does not need feedback to start with... - Tre' 19:56:55 08/23/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - morricab 09:22:12 08/23/06 (8)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Dan Banquer 09:58:19 08/23/06 (7)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - morricab 10:34:28 08/23/06 (6)

Don't be too hash to him. - cheap-Jack 13:01:02 08/23/06 (5)

Re: Don't be too hash to him. - morricab 02:16:49 08/24/06 (3)

All switching amps work on loop feedbacks. - cheap-Jack 09:11:56 08/24/06 (2)

Re: All switching amps work on loop feedbacks. - Dan Banquer 09:25:55 08/24/06 (1)

Yes, let's talk about low pas LCLC filters. - cheap-Jack 08:21:16 08/25/06 (0)

Correction: "hash" should read 'harsh'. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:05:37 08/23/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - hitsware 09:07:19 08/23/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Soundmind 06:16:53 08/23/06 (0)

What units are you talking about - Bertie_Livingston 21:05:40 08/22/06 (12)

Re: What units are you talking about - Dan Banquer 04:54:55 08/23/06 (11)

Re: What units are you talking about - tomservo 11:47:27 08/23/06 (4)

Re: What units are you talking about - Dan Banquer 16:21:07 08/23/06 (2)

Re: What units are you talking about - morricab 02:25:05 08/24/06 (1)

Re: What units are you talking about - Dan Banquer 04:39:45 08/24/06 (0)

Re: What units are you talking about - john curl 11:59:23 08/23/06 (0)

Re: What units are you talking about - morricab 08:50:46 08/23/06 (5)

Again you miss the point; but I've learned to expect that. nt - Dan Banquer 09:02:02 08/23/06 (4)

Re: Again you miss the point; but I've learned to expect that. nt - morricab 09:46:27 08/23/06 (3)

Re: Again you miss the point; but I've learned to expect that. nt - Dan Banquer 10:03:21 08/23/06 (2)

LOL !! - E-Stat 11:23:26 08/23/06 (0)

Re: Again you miss the point; but I've learned to expect that. nt - morricab 10:49:20 08/23/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Tre' 19:28:04 08/22/06 (0)

Neg. feedback? It's probably your cheap cables you're hearing....(nt) - mkuller 12:25:03 08/22/06 (31)

You are aware of the price of everything, and the value of nothing..(nt) - Dan Banquer 09:14:09 08/23/06 (0)

Can't be - Soundmind 04:40:23 08/23/06 (20)

"Inexpensive cables have also never failed to sound indistinguishable to me from the shunt" - BS64 02:46:51 08/24/06 (1)

When you start reading books on electrical engineering and stop reading ad copy, come back and discuss it intelligently - Soundmind 05:55:05 08/24/06 (0)

Can't be - unclestu52 13:18:24 08/23/06 (1)

Re: Can't be - Soundmind 17:57:20 08/23/06 (0)

How come objectivists have no sense of humor? (nt) - mkuller 09:34:58 08/23/06 (1)

How can you say that, I read YOUR postings don't I? (nt) - Soundmind 10:41:01 08/23/06 (0)

Re: Can't be - morricab 08:55:59 08/23/06 (13)

You are almost right - Soundmind 10:40:07 08/23/06 (12)

Re: You are almost right - john curl 17:34:56 08/23/06 (11)

Re: You are almost right - morricab 02:30:29 08/24/06 (10)

Wrong again Morricab - Soundmind 03:50:58 08/24/06 (9)

You can't even seem to understand yourself - morricab 08:13:29 08/24/06 (8)

You certainly nailed simplemind's illogic. What he really means is everything more expensive than mine is junk nt - Norm 19:36:53 08/27/06 (0)

Actually - jneutron 10:07:37 08/24/06 (5)

I suspect......... - Dan Banquer 10:18:26 08/24/06 (4)

Re: I suspect......... - john curl 10:39:39 08/24/06 (2)

Have a nice day - Dan Banquer 10:53:16 08/24/06 (0)

Re: I suspect......... - jneutron 10:51:39 08/24/06 (0)

Well, a guess is about all I can do, seeings as I never touched the thing. - jneutron 10:35:07 08/24/06 (0)

OOPS1 - Dan Banquer 09:29:16 08/24/06 (0)

Re: Neg. feedback? It's probably your cheap cables you're hearing....(nt) - Ted Smith 13:53:52 08/22/06 (8)

Belden makes great stuff! and they don't use negative feedback! - Dan Banquer 15:55:31 08/22/06 (6)

Re: Belden makes great stuff! and they don't use negative feedback! - Ted Smith 16:08:39 08/22/06 (5)

Re: Belden makes great stuff! and they don't use negative feedback! - Dan Banquer 16:15:49 08/22/06 (4)

Here's the worst clipping I found on track 10 - Ted Smith 22:40:54 08/22/06 (3)

Re: Here's the worst clipping I found on track 10 - Dan Banquer 04:46:29 08/23/06 (2)

FWIW - Ted Smith 09:44:37 08/23/06 (1)

Re: FWIW - Dan Banquer 10:00:19 08/23/06 (0)

How come the guys with the strongest opinions... - mkuller 14:19:10 08/22/06 (0)

Even If You Are Correct..... - Todd Krieger 05:39:40 08/22/06 (6)

Re: Even If You Are Trolling..... - Jacques 07:24:21 08/22/06 (5)

Re: Even If You Are Trolling..... - Todd Krieger 11:35:29 08/22/06 (4)

Which switching amp sounded "awful" to you ? - cheap-Jack 12:52:16 08/22/06 (3)

It's Not Really Specific to Brand..... - Todd Krieger 23:47:30 08/23/06 (1)

I agree. - cheap-Jack 09:01:30 08/25/06 (0)

Re: Which switching amp sounded "awful" to you ? - morricab 02:25:44 08/23/06 (0)

Re: Dan, a serious question - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 17:24:59 08/21/06 (27)

Re: Dan, a serious question - Dan Banquer 17:35:04 08/21/06 (26)

Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - andy_c 17:56:52 08/21/06 (24)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - Dan Banquer 18:05:06 08/21/06 (23)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - john curl 21:53:40 08/21/06 (0)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - andy_c 18:31:42 08/21/06 (21)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - PAMP 16:14:13 09/03/06 (0)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - Dan Banquer 04:34:17 08/22/06 (0)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:54:08 08/21/06 (18)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - andy_c 19:11:42 08/21/06 (17)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:13:17 08/21/06 (16)

Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - john curl 21:57:14 08/21/06 (15)

OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 03:41:40 08/22/06 (14)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 06:24:00 08/22/06 (3)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 09:58:29 08/22/06 (0)

The 100 ohms resistor... - Jacques 06:56:23 08/22/06 (1)

Re: The 100 ohms resistor... - john curl 00:52:14 08/23/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:12:15 08/22/06 (8)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 06:48:41 08/22/06 (7)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 07:16:53 08/22/06 (6)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 15:56:04 08/22/06 (2)

Ah, forgot to say, you are correct..I used haversine incorrectly..thanks..nt - jneutron 07:13:18 08/23/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:43:00 08/23/06 (0)

You're so quick in calculations... - Jacques 07:50:31 08/22/06 (2)

Re: You're so quick in calculations... - jneutron 08:09:19 08/22/06 (1)

BTW, that calculation.. - jneutron 08:21:18 08/22/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Dan Banquer 05:00:32 08/22/06 (0)

Re: Dan, a serious question - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 17:49:29 08/21/06 (0)

Ok, Mr. Subjective... - mkuller 15:11:27 08/21/06 (5)

Re: Ok, Mr. Subjective... - Dan Banquer 15:15:38 08/21/06 (4)

Is English your first language? - mkuller 15:22:22 08/21/06 (3)

Now there's an Oxymoron - Dan Banquer 16:26:03 08/21/06 (2)

P.S. - Dan Banquer 16:40:30 08/21/06 (1)

Perhaps - present company excluded....(nt) - mkuller 10:41:11 08/22/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 13:54:23 08/21/06 (103)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Dan Banquer 16:55:18 08/21/06 (102)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 17:10:13 08/21/06 (101)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Soundmind 11:38:58 08/22/06 (29)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 14:16:12 08/22/06 (26)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Soundmind 05:44:41 08/23/06 (25)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 06:43:30 08/23/06 (24)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Soundmind 07:02:56 08/23/06 (23)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 10:11:35 08/23/06 (22)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Soundmind 10:43:48 08/23/06 (21)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - john curl 12:04:28 08/23/06 (20)

What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 15:57:19 08/23/06 (19)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - morricab 02:40:04 08/24/06 (0)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - john curl 17:18:35 08/23/06 (17)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 18:14:03 08/23/06 (16)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - john curl 18:32:36 08/23/06 (15)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 19:06:45 08/23/06 (14)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - john curl 21:31:38 08/23/06 (13)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 03:27:53 08/24/06 (3)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - john curl 09:48:32 08/24/06 (1)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 10:17:33 08/24/06 (0)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - morricab 08:19:45 08/24/06 (0)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - morricab 02:46:58 08/24/06 (8)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - Soundmind 10:57:06 08/24/06 (7)

Re: What happens when you expose yourself to loud noise without hearing protection? - morricab 16:45:54 08/25/06 (6)

Wrong as usual Morricab - Soundmind 17:12:30 08/25/06 (5)

Re: Wrong as usual Morricab - morricab 02:04:17 08/26/06 (4)

How can anyone be so consistantly wrong? - Soundmind 04:54:47 08/26/06 (3)

Re: How can anyone be so consistantly wrong? - morricab 17:24:56 08/26/06 (2)

Re: How can anyone be so consistantly wrong? - Soundmind 04:39:29 08/27/06 (1)

Re: How can anyone be so consistantly wrong? - morricab 13:44:17 08/27/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Dan Banquer 12:02:35 08/22/06 (1)

The way I define "High End Audio" as the more you pay, the less you get - Soundmind 13:29:37 08/22/06 (0)

High Output Impedance On Any Line Output = BAD DESIGN = CRAP ! - Jacques 02:59:15 08/22/06 (69)

Not Necessarily.... - Todd Krieger 16:27:27 08/26/06 (0)

Re: High Output Impedance On Any Line Output = BAD DESIGN = CRAP ! - john curl 05:58:44 08/22/06 (67)

High Output Impedance On Line Output = BAD DESIGN (but passive preamps) - Jacques 08:10:09 08/22/06 (66)

Re: High Output Impedance On Line Output = BAD DESIGN (but passive preamps) - john curl 10:06:12 08/22/06 (65)

I use attenuators myself - E-Stat 14:53:44 08/22/06 (0)

Re: High Output Impedance On Line Output = BAD DESIGN (but passive preamps) - Soundmind 11:30:34 08/22/06 (63)

Re: High Output Impedance On Line Output = BAD DESIGN (but passive preamps) - Dan Banquer 16:27:07 08/23/06 (1)

Except of course - E-Stat 16:16:06 08/23/06 (60)

Re: Except of course - Soundmind 17:16:02 08/23/06 (59)

Try this experiment and get back with us - E-Stat 17:25:57 08/23/06 (58)

Re: Try this experiment and get back with us - john curl 18:03:12 08/23/06 (1)

That has been my experience as well - E-Stat 08:52:35 08/24/06 (0)

Don't you just hate it when................... - Dan Banquer 18:02:22 08/23/06 (55)

Look up the word "cumulative" in the dictionary (nt) - E-Stat 07:47:58 08/24/06 (54)

Look up the word typical - Dan Banquer 09:39:11 08/24/06 (53)

The part I like best.... - Soundmind 11:16:07 08/24/06 (51)

I'm sure you're right - E-Stat 12:15:28 08/24/06 (50)

Wrong! - Dan Banquer 12:30:00 08/24/06 (49)

You're preaching to the choir, Dan - E-Stat 13:00:49 08/24/06 (48)

Re: You're preaching to the choir, Dan - Dan Banquer 14:23:14 08/24/06 (47)

I suspect you would be included in his indictment - E-Stat 15:48:07 08/24/06 (46)

Here's an example of what retail markup is about - Soundmind 16:04:25 08/24/06 (45)

Dan, are you listening? - E-Stat 16:11:52 08/24/06 (44)

Re: Dan, are you listening? - Soundmind 06:07:44 08/25/06 (25)

No news here - E-Stat 06:39:37 08/25/06 (24)

Re: No news here - Soundmind 06:53:17 08/25/06 (23)

Re: No news here - john curl 09:54:43 08/25/06 (9)

Not relevant - Soundmind 10:15:09 08/25/06 (8)

Re: Not relevant - john curl 11:56:01 08/25/06 (7)

Don't insult my intelligence Mr. Curl, I've been around the block far too many times. - Soundmind 15:46:12 08/25/06 (6)

Re: Don't insult my intelligence Mr. Curl, I've been around the block far too many times. - john curl 18:51:14 08/25/06 (5)

Actually, he has a point - E-Stat 09:04:47 08/26/06 (4)

Re: Actually, he has a point - john curl 09:38:48 08/26/06 (3)

Re: Actually, he has a point - Soundmind 10:47:29 08/26/06 (1)

Re: Actually, he has a point - john curl 15:10:53 08/26/06 (0)

Speaking of cars... - E-Stat 09:53:06 08/26/06 (0)

Agreed - E-Stat 09:36:38 08/25/06 (12)

Re: Agreed - Soundmind 10:27:18 08/25/06 (11)

Re: Agreed - morricab 17:13:20 08/25/06 (5)

Re: Agreed - Soundmind 18:05:49 08/25/06 (4)

Re: Agreed - morricab 02:07:25 08/26/06 (1)

There's nothing that gets his juices flowing - E-Stat 08:04:11 08/26/06 (0)

Re: Agreed - john curl 18:55:38 08/25/06 (1)

Re: Agreed - Soundmind 19:04:05 08/25/06 (0)

Re: Agreed - john curl 12:01:35 08/25/06 (4)

Re: Agreed - Soundmind 16:16:41 08/25/06 (2)

Re: Agreed - john curl 19:05:31 08/25/06 (1)

Re: Agreed - Soundmind 05:12:58 08/26/06 (0)

JC, I think you might like the system they used at Chicago! - E-Stat 13:08:28 08/25/06 (0)

I'm not insulted - Dan Banquer 03:37:12 08/25/06 (17)

Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - E-Stat 06:15:49 08/25/06 (16)

Re: Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - Soundmind 11:29:51 08/25/06 (15)

Re: Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - morricab 17:25:00 08/25/06 (5)

Re: Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - Soundmind 18:16:22 08/25/06 (3)

Re: Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - morricab 02:23:16 08/26/06 (2)

You are an accident on the way to happening - Soundmind 06:26:20 08/26/06 (1)

Re: You are an accident on the way to happening - morricab 17:53:19 08/26/06 (0)

Re: Tinkerers who insult engineers and scientists alike rejoice! - morricab 17:26:13 08/25/06 (0)

I agree to an extent - E-Stat 12:37:50 08/25/06 (8)

Re: I agree to an extent - Soundmind 16:31:44 08/25/06 (7)

A few corrections are in order - E-Stat 20:20:36 08/25/06 (6)

Re: A few corrections are in order - john curl 23:19:42 08/25/06 (5)

Re: A few corrections are in order - Dan Banquer 07:40:01 08/26/06 (0)

Thanks for the analysis - E-Stat 06:48:41 08/26/06 (3)

Re: Thanks for the analysis - john curl 15:31:39 08/26/06 (0)

Re: Thanks for the analysis - Soundmind 10:29:18 08/26/06 (1)

Linearity - E-Stat 17:37:40 08/26/06 (0)

Ok - E-Stat 10:22:25 08/24/06 (0)

You do not mean "..50 or 100 meg", do you? nt - clifff 13:52:11 08/22/06 (0)

Re: What happens when there is no negative feedback, A subjective perspective. - Dan Banquer 17:15:34 08/21/06 (0)

A subjective perspective. - unclestu52 13:27:12 08/21/06 (0)

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Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - john curl 21:57:14 08/21/06 (15)

OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 03:41:40 08/22/06 (14)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 06:24:00 08/22/06 (3)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 09:58:29 08/22/06 (0)

The 100 ohms resistor... - Jacques 06:56:23 08/22/06 (1)

Re: The 100 ohms resistor... - john curl 00:52:14 08/23/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:12:15 08/22/06 (8)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 06:48:41 08/22/06 (7)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 07:16:53 08/22/06 (6)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 15:56:04 08/22/06 (2)

Ah, forgot to say, you are correct..I used haversine incorrectly..thanks..nt - jneutron 07:13:18 08/23/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:43:00 08/23/06 (0)

You're so quick in calculations... - Jacques 07:50:31 08/22/06 (2)

Re: You're so quick in calculations... - jneutron 08:09:19 08/22/06 (1)

BTW, that calculation.. - jneutron 08:21:18 08/22/06 (0)

Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Dan Banquer 05:00:32 08/22/06 (0)