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Papers for that Lyra?

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Posted on August 3, 2022 at 07:02:18
Mark P
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Never to leave anything well enough alone, I've removed the grotty, rice (?) paper from underneath my ancient, Lyra Clavis D.C. Mirabile dictu, the cartridge still works! Any conjectures as to what glue Lyra uses to affix paper to the bottom of their cartridges?

 

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RE: Papers for that Lyra?, posted on August 3, 2022 at 13:22:07
Cpwill
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I have a Helikon. Instructions said to never remove the paper no matter how dirty it may look. What you are calling rice paper has no rice in it. It is almost certainly a type of Washi, Japanese handmade artist paper. There are several different kinds. The primary fibers used in Japanese papermaking include: Kozo (Mulberry) bark - long, strong fibers. Gampi bark - yields strong, crisp, translucent sheets. Mitsumata bark - shorter than Kozo fibers, yield smooth sheets with shimmering tonalities. I would not hazard a guess as to which Lyra used. One thing these all have in common is incredible tensile strength to weight ratio compared to most western papers.

As far as "glue," my pure conjecture is that they used some sort of wheat starch paste. That's just a simple, wild-ass guess on my part based on other uses of Washi.

Good luck.

Ciao,


"Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra.

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RE: Papers for that Lyra?, posted on August 3, 2022 at 14:44:40
beach cruiser
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after reading your answer, I had to sheepishly withdraw my posted conjectures, gee they were swell, but useless.
once again proving there are no substitutes for knowledge, even though a lot of people prefer fiction as the easier path.

I am referring to the various audio snake oil products that come and go, usually pitched as a newly discovered audio break through. they get positive reviews from established writers in popular audio mags, but are never supported by scientific testing , only by what people think they hear.

I think the prize winner has to be a $450 wooden knob that did miracles for sound, that was once posed up here via a link , thankfully without the usual insult to intelligence reviews.

Second place has to be coloring the edges of a CD with a highlighter marker. I suppose everyone tried it, it was so cheap. I know I did. I even read one techno babble authoritative work incorporating reflected colored light and effects on speed ,used in explaining why the effect worked.

In my personal experience, I well remember seeing magic rocks set in small piles at various locations in an audio salon I stumbled across. I enjoyed seeing such a scandalous product , while simultaneously calculating how expensive those piles of five or six smooth black rocks were. I guess if you can talk someone into buying one, you can also sell them multiples of five. Some people are so low function intellectually , I wonder how they even get money, but they have it.

I did read how one reviewer defended his past position on the magic rocks. He said it was the power transformers, when they went to circular from the square type, that was what made the rocks obsolete , when they used to be pitched as essential for every seeker of high end happiness.

hey, everyone has to pay bills, it is just that some people have ethical limits. Of course, one measure of mental health is the ability to incorporate new understanding into daily life. Those with poor health will deflect or deny facts contrary to their previous beliefs , like cigarette addicts used to do with health risks . To be fair, maybe the guy actually thought the hearing process created an absolute reality, and is still thinking within that construct .

My brother in law has similarly sized and shaped black rocks in his front yard , although without the slight polish of the magical rocks, that he complains about because kids like to take them on the way to school , and they cost him five cents apiece when he put them in.

 

Why not ask Jonathan Carr, he is a member here? Link., posted on August 3, 2022 at 17:13:41
Link below. If you can't get to him here, email Lyra Japan. The purpose of the Washi paper is to keep debris out of the motor, so it has a purpose.

 

RE: Papers for that Lyra?, posted on August 5, 2022 at 11:10:47
Mark P
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I'd like to thank you all for your answers ...- I guess.
I know Jonathan Carr contributes to the Asylum and was hoping he might answer. But has he not been scarce around here lately? No doubt he has better things to do. The link to him provided was intriguing as it took me to news of the release of the AudioTechnica OC9 III cartridge. No doubt there's a path from there to Mr. Carr but I'm too obtuse to find it.

I am thankful for the speculation regarding wheat starch paste. After the exhaustive and exhausting disquisition on Japanese paper I'm now utterly convinced Lyra eschews rice starch paste.
Dare-devil that I am, I did remove my Clavis DC's soiled diaper. No Orlando surprises: the exposed tackle resembles that of eight other "nude" MC cartridges I own. I do find it little short of miraculous that Lyra searched the globe for a protective loincloth only to find one that after six months makes their cartridges look like something the cat coughed up.

And while we're on the subject of audio skepticism, how could one be ungrateful for ever-fresh comments on "audio snake oil products"? More dare-devil than I, our contributor surveys Mpingo record weights, magic rocks and decades-old, highlighted CD edges, and, shockingly, disapproves.

The miracles never cease.

 

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