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Posted on July 30, 2022 at 10:54:07
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This is a good one to compare to the Classic reissue and the original pressing......, posted on July 30, 2022 at 14:20:29
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Not sure if Classic ever mastered to digital. Still there are so many variants ( engineer preference, hardware used, master tape condition etc.. )

 

Thanks. It's DSD. Mo-Fi updated their website and now, posted on July 30, 2022 at 15:18:02
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shows which ones are from the digital copies. Almost all are.

Mo-Fi is living up to their promises. I think that is great, good for them.

A Mo-Fi dealer is coming over Tuesday with a copy and we are going to compare it with an old pressing and the Rhino 180 gram pressing.

It might be fun.

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Yep. I saw that. ..., posted on July 30, 2022 at 18:53:19
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Keep me posted of the bakeoff.
I have the Classic 200g reissue which I think sounds pretty good. ( BG remaster )



 

Better late than never. Hope they haven't lost so much credibility it'll effect deliveries., posted on July 30, 2022 at 19:45:04
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I hope you will post your observations when you do the comparison. I've been impressed with 45 rpm but am suspect of SuperVinyl or other vinyl formulations claimed to be superior. FWIW I compared a few of the titles in the Rhino Doors box to some Analog Productions 45 RPM records by The Doors - no comparison the AP disks were much better in every way.

 

RE: This is a good one to compare to the Classic reissue and the original pressing......, posted on July 31, 2022 at 11:04:47
Analog Scott
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yes they sure did. They were very hush hush about it. but their original digital files on DAT (I think it was DAT) have been auctioned over the past few years on ebay. You can be pretty sure that a fair number of those "all analog" Classics records aren't all analog.

 

Interesting...., posted on July 31, 2022 at 12:15:37
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No way to verify unless you know Bernie personally. :)
Not surprised if it's true, tho.

 

Never got around to the Rhino, posted on August 2, 2022 at 16:40:40
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The Mo-Fi was lacking in body and a little etched on top vs. my first pressing (second variant). While both were good neither one was as good as a green label Van Morrison, Listen to the Loin. Or the AP of Janis Ian's Breaking Silence, we listened to Walking On Sacred Ground and This Train Still Runs.

I might compare the Mo-Fi (that my friend opened just before I put it on my turntable and then he left it with me) to the Rhino in the next few days.

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RE: This is a good one to compare to the Classic reissue and the original pressing......, posted on August 5, 2022 at 04:43:46
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I'm afraid you're entirely misinformed on this topic.

As one of the co-founders of Classic, I can guarantee you that every title that was cut in the first 3-4 years up to say 1997 (when I left) was cut 100% analogue from the original master tape. In quite a few cases we were actually cutting from original three track masters played back on a 3-track head that was specially built by Bernie's in house tech department for his Studer. Classic cut almost a 100 titles during that time including a large number of RCA LSCs and LSPs, a bunch of Verve and Epic jazz titles, and several of Decca owned RCAs aka UK RCAs like Royal Ballet Gala and Witches Brew. Those UK RCA tapes were flown into LA and hand delivered to Bernie's studio by one Tony Hawkins, the senior Decca mastering engineer of that time. And these were definitely original masters displaying hand written notes from some of the actual Decca engineers (including the legendary Kenneth Wilkinson).

With regards to the titles cut after my departure, I'm not in a position to comment but, as a regular client of Bernie's in all the years since then and through to the demise of Classic, I spent a lot of time in his cutting room and saw a lot of master tapes licensed by Classic sitting there: rock titles, jazz titles, classical titles and these were the years where original masters were still being released to the 3rd party licensees by the various major labels.

As far as the so-called digital masters or DATs that you say are being offered for sale online, I have no idea what those are all about! And who is the vendor? What is their actual provenance? Even if these were authentic one should also recall that Classic released a bunch of Gold CDs and then later switched to the DVD-Audio format for several other titles so digital files and masters for those formats would most certainly have been around. Once again, most of these digital titles were released after I left but I personally have very little doubt that almost all the Classic vinyl releases were cut from the original analogue masters by Bernie Grundman.

 

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