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Posted on May 22, 2022 at 14:35:31
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Technics newbie here.

Any recommendations based on personal experience?

My preferences lean toward the warm-ish side of neutral.


And why the heck did they make the AC mains socket so hard to get to?!

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RE: SL1200G power cord substitutions ..., posted on May 22, 2022 at 16:54:38
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I have the 1210GR, and tried a AudioQuest $100 powercord, and it was not flexible enough.

Due to the socket, pick a cord that is thinner so it is flexible, and plan to let it run straight from the socket out the bottom of the right side of the table so it does not run parallel at any time to the ground or interconnect wires.

I would at least get 1.5 meters....2.0 meters best length.

Some ideas:

Nordost Blue Heaven

Audioquest - NRG-X3 Low-Noise Power Cable

Cardas Audio Iridium Power Cable



Marty N.

 

racing stripes will make any car faster, ask any owner., posted on May 22, 2022 at 17:46:06
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I struggle to offer no opinion other than to comment on the location of the power cord, for the sake of civility.
I also tap the brakes on my big mouth because I have none of the asked for personal experiences, plus I use some oddball tower speakers, the voice of my system, that few would know.


I would assume the location of the mains socket was not a concern to the design engineers, since one would logically have to make changes to all the other now inferior wires to realize whatever changes might be gained with a superior aftermarket section of cord.

I would also assume a designer of a product at that heavy, or any, price point would have already considered the need to improve any weak areas many times, , and would feel ashamed if someone could so easily improve on his professional work . But I have to recognize that simply buying a different section of wire does it for some folk.

I would compare it to putting on a really nice three inch fire hose to water the yard, and then questioning why water delivery wasn't significantly increased, when you have the same supply pipes on one end, and the same nozzle on the other. Of course water in transport is quite different than electrical flow, that was just the first example of a constricting weak link that I thought of. we all surely know that electrical circuits are a very different deal .

I have seen pictures of very expensive systems with what was essentially a separate private and expensive little power station in the next room to address the demands of power delivery . Otherwise , guys like me have to wait until demand slows at night for a cleaner sound.

I always start with the truth that playback can never be more than illusion, and as sophistication increases , a direction for illusion must be made for best results. I might suggest that most consider a neutral sound, no sonic signature , the perfection of goals for a record player. then, once things start to go to hell downstream, you start to correct for taste. But I suppose one correction direction is as good as another to find happiness .

Clearly I spun out of control and lost my original intent. I do wish you unreserved joy with your player. I gained quite a bit of joy when I had a far more humble direct drive player, and wish you at least double that, or unlimited, whichever come first. And I had a heck of a time.

 

RE: SL1200G power cord substitutions ..., posted on May 22, 2022 at 19:01:33
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I also have a 1200G. I used the supplied cord for about a month after I got it. It really wasn't that bad. I replaced it with a "vintage" Tara Labs cord which did improve the sound a bit-richer and a little more clarity but nothing day and night.
I have been meaning to put a better power cord on it but since it already sounds so good, it hasn't been a priority.
I have done some research though and the most common suggestions was for Shunyata Venom 14. As you know, not every power cord will fit as it is kind of a tight space and needs to be flexible. I will probably buy one next month being the gullible guy that I am!

 

Thank you., posted on May 23, 2022 at 08:28:22
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I appreciate your observations and recommendations!

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but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

 

RE: racing stripes will make any car faster, ask any owner., posted on May 23, 2022 at 08:40:44
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Your comments were well-received here, and in-line with the spirit
of the hobby and this forum!

I will add only that I have been playing with power cords for 20+ years
and have rarely failed to be surprise about what works best (if at all)
with any given component or any full system.



If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

 

RE: SL1200G power cord substitutions ..., posted on May 23, 2022 at 08:51:17
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>>"vintage" Tara Labs cord

I love my "vintage" TARA Labs RSC interconnects. So, I
may have to give the TARA Labs PC a go.

Then, again, the Shunyata Venom 14 looks promising, too.
I have never used that brand before.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.


If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

 

more of the same self indulgent common knowledge, posted on May 23, 2022 at 16:31:26
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I don't claim to have any kind of perfect understanding, but I just don't understand the possible physics, how changing only the construction of a power cord to a turntable could improve the sound .

I have experienced audio illusions, where the brain hears what it desires. I tried really hard on a hearing test, required periodically in my sailor days, and was embarrassed by hearing things that weren't there. And having an audio hobby just seemingly rubbed it in. Fortunately the pretty nurse, the cause of my embarrassment over errors, informed me the effect was normal, and a correction for errors is built into the test.

Satisfying the desire to hear is why I have no problem with others enjoying the effect.

But it is not for me, I rate it as a placebo effect in this case. I can understand how changing the loading, with different wires, that an amplifier sees can change the sound, but can't figure out what it is supposed to do with a turntable motor.

does it effect the speed of the motor, which can't be good, or change the motor controls to somehow transmit a better audio tone up into the platter, past the vinyl , and effect the needle trace.
As I understand it, you have rotation and accurate speed as the primary design goals, I really don't see how one could change anything without deviating from the accuracy of those primary system design goals.

I got such an improved sound stage when I went to a belt drive,I stayed with that type of design. I am sure it effects my conceptual thinking on this issue, since it would be hard to convince anyone that a different power cord would effect any audio results since such changes would also have to transmit through the belt. But when one considers everything electrical supposedly stops at the motor, having a belt really doesn't matter.

One other time I was at a buddies house, setting up some Bose 901 speakers, they used to be popular , not with me, and required extensive equalization , a special box in the line.

because, in the interest of manufacturing economy, it was just a bunch of mid range drivers only, with a signal processor to make them sound like a full audio spectrum. my friend liked them, they could play loudly, and looked real cool in a special black finish.

He had a custom space for his audio gear, but didn't keep any instructions , and never hooked up his own stuff . I think the EQ was supposed to go into a tape loop or something I couldn't identify easily.

I was plugging the EQ into various holes, some without results, some would play, and we thought we had it , really, from the sound. Trouble was multiple out puts had the same results, we must have spent 20 minutes comparing plugging into different holes, each time thinking we had gotten it correctly from the sound, until one set of holes finally incorporated the EQ box, and we knew we had been fooled many times by what we thought we were hearing.

That's the trouble with hearing, it produces illusions. Sight does the same thing , but, unlike sight, the more one tries to hear something specific, the more difficult it becomes.

I agree the jumping to conclusions effect of hearing was probably an important evolutionary tool to keep us off the menu. better to think you hear something and run, than to try and figure the sound out. We are real good with direction, which way to run. I can hear , through a closed window, if a siren is around the corner or on my street, at distance, and the direction of travel.

The brain hears a lot of things well, it is just not a slave to accuracy. If you think you hear something, you are correct , as far as you know. the brain has no self awareness.

Thus the use of double blind listening tests in the pioneering days of Hi Fi, when criteria and measurements were still being hammered out. I suppose a test to separate reality from illusion didn't move enough product, I don't hear about it being used much anymore.

It would seemingly be easy to know if the observed effect with the turntable power cord is real or illusionary . one guy to keep changing the cords, or not change it, unobserved, with a listener to record the impressions from the three possibilities, cord A, cord B, no cord change, using both cords. then compare notes after multiple changes.

 

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