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Posted on May 19, 2022 at 09:18:10
jupiterboy
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I'm "discovering" this line of tables and they seem to present fewer compromises in terms of what I'm looking for in a table. The caveat is that I would prefer to have a table made in the states because it's easy to have repaired. I don't think either Sota or VPI is going to get me what I want.

Does anyone have experience with a Soulines table? I'm most interested in how well damped they are generally, how the lower-torque motor functions in real life, and how well designed is the main bearing?

 

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I have never heard of them until you mentioned them. Good luck in your quest. )MT(, posted on May 19, 2022 at 11:24:24
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RE: Soulines, posted on May 19, 2022 at 13:42:56
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Some interesting design features. Skeletal designs seem to be more and more the way designers are moving.

Looks like just the one source here in the US?

Probably no chance to hear one. Do they have any kind of try/buy from the distributor? They say any direct sales are final with no return. Hopefully the US distributor is more accommodating.

 

Same here . Good luck in your quest. , posted on May 19, 2022 at 16:17:05
beach cruiser
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I couldn't keep my mouth shut about a product I never heard of before this post.

because every new design that advances the same basic design principles used in the old Michell gyro deck, and others, reinforces that I correctly made, what was for me , a tough , in that I was buying sight unseen and heard, and critical, my playback enjoyment is primarily vinyl, budget limited buying decision.

I find every such report a very gratifying reinforcement of my ability to spend money, sometimes intelligently, but not so you can count on it.

the product under discussion shares a lot of the basic design principles incorporated in the gyro product, although executed to a higher price point.

inverted bearing, minimal plinth, three pin point platter support , it seem as if some basic optimal design features are becoming finalized across the industry , as is common with a lot of mature products, although turntables still offer many more diverse design opinions than, for example, car batteries or clarinets.

to try to add some content towards the posters questions,

low torque motors have always been the designers favorite, less motor, less intrusion. The problem was always start up, not every customer wants to nudge the platter to get it to even start to spin, and then wait for it to come gradually up to speed. Now I understand electronics and other solutions are available, but that is the basic stuff, as I understand it from reading. .

As for the bearing, I only found a delron thrust plate mentioned, a common approach I see a lot of tables use. I am not a turntable designer so can't speak to that design choice, but can say the long established choice for precision ball and flat bearings has been with a sapphire flat. Perhaps this doesn't apply to all audio uses, but SOTA uses sapphire fiats.

of particular interest to me was the picture of the main bearing. Looks a lot like my Michell bearing, physically , which is also brass, stainless and inverted. I have no basis to suggest they are the same part but would endlessly enjoy it if it were.

After all, in the brief company statement, much like pro-ject turntables, the company was started in response to customers needs by salespeople observing the market, not by a mechanical designer with a gift for the product , like McCloud with car clutches.

No shame in a customer driven product. After all, early rolls Royce thrived because it was surrounded in London by the best auto parts manufacturers of the time, and it just assembled them into their product. I haven't heard of any turntables bragging they make their own motors, and motor sourcing is never mentioned in reviews, but it must be so.

unlike bicycles, where the collected parts are visible, and consumers can see what level of Shimano ,or other brand, part is used, a clear advantage when forming a buying decision among similar products.

 

RE: Soulines, posted on May 20, 2022 at 03:14:50
jupiterboy
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I'm shaking the tree on this. I don't want an expensive door stop. If I go this direction I'll for sure have a 30 day evaluation. I can drive over and hear them, but a turntable is very hard to "get" with a foreign cartridge and system. You can get a feel for the operation.

 

RE: Same here . Good luck in your quest. , posted on May 20, 2022 at 03:28:57
jupiterboy
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These are good observations. There appears to be some Rega and Nottingham DNA in the mix as well. Now as you look over the line you see it's not all skeletal, although the principles are combined. What I see above appears to combine constrained layer damping and skeletal design as the underside of the plinth is selectively hollowed to tune any resonance. There also appears to be use of cork/rubber, not just in the mat.

Igor, the designer, is degreed in mechanical engineering and also a musician. All I read suggests he's very attuned to vibration control. I believe he started doing restorations of older broadcast tables-custom plinths, etc.

I came to the line because it checked all my boxes:

1.) No spiked feet
2.) No aluminum platter
3.) Better bearing than my Sota (which did not use a sapphire disc)
4.) Flexibility in tonearm selection

Bonuses are:

1.) Wood plinth
2.) Dust cover
3.) Speed selection/adjustment


 

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