Vinyl Asylum

Welcome Licorice Pizza (LP) lovers! Setup guides and Vinyl FAQ.

Return to Vinyl Asylum


Message Sort: Post Order or Asylum Reverse Threaded

Hey, hey it's...

108.78.253.140

Posted on June 11, 2021 at 12:45:16
musetap
Audiophile

Posts: 31816
Location: San Francisco
Joined: July 8, 2003
Contributor
  Since:
January 28, 2004
of course.

Wasn't expecting to see "Casino Royale" in this (optimistic?) garage sale ad...





"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

Hide full thread outline!
    ...
The Monkees were supremely pissed when that album was released., posted on June 11, 2021 at 14:21:39
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
Nobody told them it was coming. Don Kirschner picked out the tracks, the cover photo came from a JC Penney's ad campaign. It was the end for Kirschner and the Pre-Fab Four.
Other than a couple of Davy Jones tunes on Side 2, though, I really like the record. Some great Tommy Boyce-Bobby Hart tunes, couple of terrific Neil Diamond songs ("I'm a Believer," the song that was my gateway drug for rock n roll). The album opener, "She," is one of my favorite Monkees tunes.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 14:25:17
Merlot_cat
Audiophile

Posts: 1436
Location: Northern Ohio
Joined: August 7, 2002
Contributor
  Since:
May 27, 2004
Maybe not so optimistic. I know the owner of a local vintage audio store that is located nearby my home in northeast Ohio, who does a very good business in some of the old 60's -70's console stereo systems. I am not saying that the one in your pic would reach the asking price but if it is in working condition ,cabinet is in very good shape, and depending on the brand, it may come very close.
Yes, I am very surprised at some of the prices he get for these units. Some buyers just like the cabinet and some like both the cabinet and the system itself. Demand is still strong.
The whole problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
-Bertrand Russell

 

RE: The Monkees were supremely pissed when that album was released., posted on June 11, 2021 at 15:06:44
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
I have all four of their first LP's, each totally difference, but all good.

My copy of the Monkees (1966) is stereo, More of is Mono and contains 2 of my favs on side 2 for the end of that side, Laugh and I'm a Believer. Pisces was stereo, Headquarters, mono. No, I didn't intentionally set out to get them that way, it's how they came to me, LOL. All 4 bought over various years since the late 80's. Have had them all for at least 30 years.

Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd is also good, as was Headquarters. You should be aware that the first two were played entirely by the Wrecking Crew musicians, outside of maybe something by Michael and Peter as they were the ONLY musicians of the 4.

At any rate, they hold up way better than many LP's of the day ever did these days.

 

Magnavox unit..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 16:37:48
musetap
Audiophile

Posts: 31816
Location: San Francisco
Joined: July 8, 2003
Contributor
  Since:
January 28, 2004



looks to be in decent shape.

A little spit and polish and advertise it as Mid Century (just a bit of a stretch) and he might
get $200?

It's IMO, OK, but not that nice...YMMV.

I appreciate the looks of many of those older console systems (of course our family had a smaller
one in the mid-late 60's... ruined MANY LPs) and they make nice furniture and I don't doubt some
sounded good as well.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

RE: Magnavox unit..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 16:39:47
pictureguy
Audiophile

Posts: 22597
Location: SoCal
Joined: October 19, 2008
We had a simllar unit from ZENITH in the late 60s......with the 2G tonearm, a real landmark in NOT instandly destroying new vinyl....
Too much is never enough

 

Boyce and Hart did a few LPs of their own, the best being . . ., posted on June 11, 2021 at 16:41:49
Opus 33 1/3
Audiophile

Posts: 4184
Location: D.C. Area
Joined: February 19, 2014







Opus 33 1/3

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 16:51:12
Gary
Audiophile

Posts: 1290
Location: New York, NY
Joined: April 21, 2000
That tonearm doesn't look like what I'd expect from a unit like this. Looks decent.

 

Sort of looks like. Garrard Zero 100. nt, posted on June 11, 2021 at 17:20:03
alaskahiatt
Audiophile

Posts: 7484
Joined: December 9, 2000
Contributor
  Since:
November 1, 2005



nt

 

RE: Magnavox unit..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 17:25:14
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
My parents had a Telefunkin one that they bought new in 1962 while stationed in Germany, and it was tubed based and had a R2R deck that went with it, though by the time the 70's and retired from the Air force, the R2R stayed in the closet in my childhood home that we'd bought in 1970, only to be replaced the following year with separates, a Sansui receiver, Sansui speakers, a Nivico record changer and a Sony base R2R.

By that point, it was all solid state.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 17:46:30
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Looking at this again, don't know if the table is original or not as 60's era Magnavoxes has the Astro Sonic changer where the tonearm will tap the edge of the records on the changer spindle to determine where to drop the arm, then swings back out of the way, record drops then swings over and lowers into the run in groove.

This is later I think, seeing an older Guitologist video from 2016 with an original Magnavox console from 1969, but it contains the original, but frozen astro stonic changer still in it and it would not suprize me if Magnavox ditched the older style tables for the Girrard but who knows though, though it almost looks like it's sitting in its own plinth where the old one used to sit.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 18:39:46
orthophonic
Audiophile

Posts: 860
Location: Central Florida
Joined: January 21, 2003
The table is a Garrard Zero 100, not the original Collaro, it was replaced at some time.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 20:10:50
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Callaro, was trying to recall the original, yeah, thought so.

 

It is ..., posted on June 11, 2021 at 21:26:50
reelsmith.
Audiophile

Posts: 13112
Location: CT
Joined: June 7, 2005
Contributor
  Since:
January 19, 2010
Great arm ...in theory. A nightmare otherwise.

Dean.






reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

The Wrecking Crew and some other luminaries., posted on June 12, 2021 at 04:03:01
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
And it wasn't limited to the first two LPs. Neil Young played guitar on a Davy Jones song ("You and I" from Instant Replay).
That stuff couldn't be helped. They were filming the TV show, meeting the press, going on tour, all they had time to do was lay down the vocal tracks.
I don't hold it against them. The only Byrd that played on "Mr. Tambourine Man" was Roger McGuinn. The Wrecking Crew did the rest.
The Wrecking Crew played on the Beach Boys albums, too.
Hal Blaine & Co. were probably our favorite rock n roll band back then and we didn't even know it.
I've got all of the studio albums in stereo on original Colgems; a German stereo pressing of The Monkees; a UK stereo pressing of Headquarters; the Rhino reissues from the 1980s; the RSD box set from a few years ago; Good Times, the last record they did while Peter Tork was alive, and the accompanying EP; The Mike and Mickey Show, double-live album that was released IIRC in 2019.
The RSD box set would be the best but it has a glaring flaw. Some tracks on The Monkees are in mono. For some reason, mono masters were used for those tunes. Don't know if the stereo masters were lost, but if they were it's a shame.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: The Wrecking Crew and some other luminaries., posted on June 12, 2021 at 06:20:39
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Oh, I know a bit about the Wrecking Crew as I saw the documentary on them on YouTube last year (and the same for the Swampers of Fame Studios, known as Muscle Shores) both very good.

One thing I'm impressed was how fairly good these records sound today on a good system, unlike the Mamas and the Papas that sound rather dreadful in comparison. I bring this up as Chip Douglas did a good job of being the recording engineer, unlike Lou Adler that also used the Wrecking Crew.

I only have the first 4 LP's and the Birds, the Bees and the Monkees. Don't have Instant Replay, nor Head and like I said, all of mine are original US Colgems.

 

That documentary is terrific., posted on June 12, 2021 at 06:40:22
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
I had no idea they played on so many records.
IIRC, dude named Pete Abbott did the mix on those Monkees albums, later worked on Mike Nesmith's First National Band LPs.
I thought they sounded awful back in the Seventies but as my system improved, the sound of those old records improved along with it.
Rhino did a later reissue of Head mastered by Chris Bellman for Bernie Grundman Labs. Ian Sefchick did the box set.
Instant Replay is a good record. The Monkees Present worth a listen or two. Nesmith's "Good Clean Fun" is on Present. Changes, uh, forget about it.
When the band was first created, it laid down a boatload of vocal tracks and a lot of those songs found their way onto the later LPs. Starting with The Birds, the Bees, and the Monkees, the guys barely worked together in the studio. Instead, one of the Monkees would show up for a recording session with his own group of musicians in tow. That's how Nesmith started working with the guys that formed the First National Band.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: That documentary is terrific., posted on June 12, 2021 at 06:49:16
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Good stuff, I've heard bits and bobs of much of what you wrote over time. Indeed, that documentary gives one the great insight into one of the best house bands out there of the 60's, and it's too bad that one of its members has been, maybe still is afflicted with Alzheimer's disease, Glen Campbell. Not that I'm a fan of his music, except for Rhinestone Cowboy, he was a great addition to the wrecking crew, and as a consequence, the Monkees.

I really should see if I can scrounge up a copy of Head, once it is deemed safe to get out again and drive (had surgery to remove part of my colon last Friday so am recovering now and the followup appointment is next Wednesday).

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 06:53:40
Kirk57
Audiophile

Posts: 603
Location: Chicago's North Shore
Joined: December 9, 2008
I would not be surprised if the seller got close to asking. Both the Garrard Zero 100 (not the original TT in this unit as pointed our before) and the Magnavox tube amp, possibly a 930x unit, are desirable units in today's market.

 

I'm pretty sure Campbell passed away., posted on June 12, 2021 at 08:51:00
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
four years ago.
"Galveston" is a great song, and I saw him play it years ago on CMT. He was tearing it up on the guitar.
One of the best stories from the Wrecking Crew doc was about Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. The albums were Alpert and Julius Wechter overdubbing their horns, all the rest was played by the Wrecking Crew. Alpert had to hire musicians to be the Brass when he finally went on tour.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: I'm pretty sure Campbell passed away., posted on June 12, 2021 at 09:22:57
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Yeah, I had not kept up on his status but that would not surprise me if he's gone now. Now, for Herb Alpert and the TJB, I'd forgotten all that, and I DID watch the doc. Much of what his output at that time while it can veer on the schlocky side, was pretty good, overall.

What made the Wrecking Crew was their ability to sight read anything, and play any genre of music with issue, they were THAT good and it was obvious when you listen to those recordings they were on.

 

They were great and they made the records they played on great. nt, posted on June 12, 2021 at 09:44:36
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
nt



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: It is ..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 09:50:03
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
I think my best friend's older brother Dan had that model Gerrard and it had issues with the VTF that was much too heavy, no matter what you did.

This being in the mid to late 70's, and was paired with an Electrophonic 8-track receiver with the circular radio dial.

It was nothing fancy, lower end, but serviceable. Not certain if his was capable of recording or not, found one that was just the player online, I think via eBay just now. The selector switch was missing its knob but otherwise it looked fine.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 10:06:55
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
Are you certain it's tube? Early 60's, yes, but I think this hails from probably mid 60's and just about all consoles were solid state by then.

I hopped over to Brad the guitologist on YT to a video he put up in 2016 where he show 2 Magnavoxes, one from around 1969, and one that dated to about 1965, and I think both were solid state.

This one looks to be probably closer to '65 than 69 as the knobs were smaller by then, even though it has the gold trim, not the silver/black of the later models, but both definitely solid state by 1965 on.

 

IMO, Mike Nesmith wrote some great Monkees songs..., posted on June 12, 2021 at 10:10:45
ghost of olddude55
Audiophile

Posts: 32338
Joined: July 14, 2017
...and so did Carole King, but the best songwriters the Monkees had were Boyce and Hart.



The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 14, 2021 at 06:12:35
Kirk57
Audiophile

Posts: 603
Location: Chicago's North Shore
Joined: December 9, 2008
You may be right, but it looks just like the two Magnavox consoles I've come across that had 930x tube amps within. It's possible they didn't change in appearance once they went solid state.

 

RE: Hey, hey it's..., posted on June 14, 2021 at 06:20:40
John-from Seattle
Audiophile

Posts: 1154
Location: Tacoma
Joined: November 13, 1999
From Brad the Guitologist, he show the two, and outside of the faceplate, knobs having updated, the basic layout had not changed much since at least 1959-60, now, some some functions were improved in their gropings, like bass and treble together, instead of apart, but the off/treble or off/bass still remained.

But yes, solid state by 1965.

 

Page processed in 0.036 seconds.