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Posted on October 22, 2020 at 13:57:00
Tom B.
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 I'm reading the late Stanley Crouch on Jazz and it got me in the mood. I love his writing. His charlie Parker Bio is a great read.



















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This is not "old jazz"..., posted on October 22, 2020 at 14:57:58
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 This is jazz, baby. As it was meant to be.

 

RE: This is not "old jazz"..., posted on October 22, 2020 at 15:13:41
rivervalley817
 Griff & Lock is pretty old school ...

yet timeless in the depth of it's conviction / performance

man, I haven't listened to that in a forever ... I'd better get on it!

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Those may be old pressings..., posted on October 22, 2020 at 21:27:22
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 But the music coming off them that hits the ear is as fresh and new as the day it was recorded.

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RE: Those may be old pressings..., posted on October 22, 2020 at 22:03:31
rivervalley817
 you've got to play in the moment 'cause moments is all you got

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but I heard it from Pancho

he played with Miles a few times

played his drums with a busted marching bass mallet in his right hand

wish you were there!

best regards,

 

Agree. +1. nt, posted on October 22, 2020 at 23:31:21
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When I listen to old stuff like that, how great it sounds..., posted on October 23, 2020 at 04:06:35
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 even when it's in mono (which I don't really like), I always admire the recording and mastering work by guys like Roy Du Nann and Rudy Van Gelder.



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"Old jazz", posted on October 23, 2020 at 11:49:36
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 I guess it is all relative. But some others here seem to agree with me.

I consider jazz to be older when it is pre-bop. Bird was truly a turning point.

But maybe that is because of my age. When I was a kid my dad was listening to Louie Armstrong. That is what I consider old jazz stylistically.

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Would that be dixieland or big band then? nt, posted on October 23, 2020 at 17:54:20
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RE: Would that be dixieland or big band then? nt, posted on October 23, 2020 at 18:29:18
rivervalley817
 neither [or both] the next step ... swing

derived from ragtime & big band with the emphasis on the off-beat

with regards,

 

I guess I equated ragtime with dixieland and big band with swing. nt, posted on October 24, 2020 at 01:49:16
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Again, my perspective, posted on October 24, 2020 at 07:45:57
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 Dixieland is an older jazz style. Certainly there are current groups playing it but stylistically it is very similar to that played in the 1920s.

Big band is more difficult, but mention of swing makes it easier. I consider the swing era of Miller, the Dorsey brothers, etc to be "old". But big bands like Carla Bley, Charlie Hayden, Sun Ra, etc. are quite different and I wouldn't call them old.

So it is not the date of the recording but rather the time of the style that defines old from new for me.

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+1 nt, posted on October 24, 2020 at 07:51:30
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RE: I guess I equated ragtime with dixieland and big band with swing. nt, posted on October 24, 2020 at 09:05:58
rivervalley817
 you should, as do I! but swing really synthesized both ...

then swing spawned 'jump' which, by moving the 'pulse' across the rhythm landed at be-bop ... so long to playing 'straight time', see ya at the hook

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Got it. And so many swing players ended up in bebop. Thanks Mr. Parker. nt, posted on October 24, 2020 at 12:32:20
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