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Posted on August 25, 2019 at 17:53:20 | ||
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This horse isn't dead! It's still twitching. It may well be a zombie horse. Who finds that commercial digital can match or surpass vinyl records of recordings of acoustic music - made in analog - in the areas of naturalness, instrument separation, timbre, and, dimensionality? If you do, please specify your equipment and details. If, OTOH, you think no digital playback system captures the immediacy and realism that vinyl does, shout it loud & proud! (As for me, I keep trying to get into the first camp but find myself still in the second.) |
RE: What's the point of rehashing this yet again? nt, posted on August 25, 2019 at 19:33:35 | |
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 25, 2019 at 21:38:38 | |
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> As for me, I keep trying to get into the first camp but find myself still in the second. It's unclear to me what you mean by the first camp and the second camp. As for me, I am now in the digital camp! I became very interested in digital just after buying a DAT recorder in 1991. I'd owned several different CD players beginning in 1983 but I couldn't find a CD that equaled my best sounding vinyl. Even to this day I haven't found many CDs that equal vinyl in terms of naturalness, realism and high-frequency smoothness. The problems I find with CDs has mainly to do with the high-frequencies, which often sound harsh and strident compared to good vinyl. It wasn't until 1991 that I began to think digital was something special after making my first DAT recording of a vinyl record. Still, commercial digital recordings rarely impress me the way topnotch vinyl does. About five years ago I bought a TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder and discovered the next level in digital performance. DSD is really superb, even commercial digital recordings in DSD128 and DSD256 sound exquisite to my ears. I now own about 30 Quad DSD recordings that impress me just as much as vinyl. These are not up-sampled from lower resolution PCM but are original DSD256 recordings. Some have been recorded directly to DSD256 while others were recorded from high-speed analog master tapes directly to DSD256. I believe they would all meet your requirements of naturalness, instrument separation, timbre, and, dimensionality. They certainly impress me as sounding even better than my best vinyl. Consequently, I'm now heavily into the digital camp. My equipment is as follows: Sota Millennia Vacuum turntable with SME V tonearm and Audio Technica ART7 phono cartridge into a Pass Labs XOno phono preamp. Mytek Brooklyn Bridge Preamp/DAC/Streamer with JRiver streaming software on my HP Windows computer. Parasound Halo A21 power amplifier with XLR balanced interconnects from the Mytek Brooklyn Bridge's balanced outputs. Thiel CS3.7 speakers with a pair of Rythmik 12" Servo Subwoofers. Best regards, . . . This is a current picture of my system in which I moved my speakers farther out into the room for better imaging and soundstage. |
+1 nt, posted on August 26, 2019 at 04:28:07 | |
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Who cares...nt, posted on August 26, 2019 at 05:47:20 | |
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Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof |
+2. Jeez, again? nt, posted on August 26, 2019 at 06:49:47 | |
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 26, 2019 at 11:20:37 | |
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Oof... You're spraying everyone with offal. |
Love that deck., posted on August 26, 2019 at 13:37:28 | |
One serious looking piece of kit! 8^) |
"I am still enthusiastic about the system" - Me too! [nt] ;-), posted on August 26, 2019 at 15:20:47 | |
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 27, 2019 at 08:13:16 | |
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There's no question in my mind that the Mytek Brooklyn Bridge is an excellent DAC. It's the best sounding DAC I've ever owned. There's also another one that intrigues me. It's the Teac NT-505. It contains a pair of the latest AKM AK4497 DAC chips and supports PCM up to 32-bit/768-kHz as well as DSD512. Furthermore, it costs a thousand dollars less than the Mytek Brooklyn Bridge. In addition to the Brooklyn Bridge, I also own a FiiO M11. This is an exceptional autonomous hi-res digital player that supports PCM up to 24-bit/384-kHz and DSD256. I think it sounds nearly as good as the Mytek and it costs only $450. It requires the addition of two micro SD memory cards, which drives the price up a little, but it's well worth it in my opinion. Good luck, John Elison |
I think digital is great until..., posted on August 27, 2019 at 18:09:29 | |
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Until I play vinyl.
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 27, 2019 at 19:45:25 | |
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all the time |
RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 28, 2019 at 18:22:40 | |
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You were standing too close. |
Sure you can ..., posted on August 28, 2019 at 18:36:11 | |
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...: Later Gator, Dave |
RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 28, 2019 at 18:43:32 | |
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What is that cart? |
Old CDs become anti-skate testers! 8^) (n/t) , posted on August 28, 2019 at 18:48:04 | |
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Thank you for the big laugh! )MT(, posted on August 28, 2019 at 19:04:55 | |
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Later Gator, Dave |
Great idea for setting antiskate! ;-) /nt\, posted on August 28, 2019 at 19:52:58 | |
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 29, 2019 at 04:52:41 | |
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Haha. |
RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 29, 2019 at 06:18:26 | |
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RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 29, 2019 at 07:43:26 | |
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We like this Denon 103D also. |
RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 29, 2019 at 18:35:05 | |
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to many abbreviations for this old guy to understand |
RE: Vinyl Vs. Digital, posted on August 29, 2019 at 19:20:48 | |
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> You realize that the DSD is converted to PCM before the actual D/A conversion? My DACs and Players do not convert DSD to PCM before converting to analog. You are correct that many other DACs do that, but the best ones don't. In fact, my little handheld FiiO M11 can be set to up-sample all PCM formats to DSD before converting to analog because some people believe that PCM sounds better that way. I own the following DACs and digital players: Mytek Brooklyn Bridge TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder and player FiiO M11 Hi-Res Digital Player All of these DACs and players convert DSD directly to analog without first converting to PCM. Best regards, John Elison |