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Posted on August 4, 2020 at 06:37:18
Ric
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 Hi, just wanted to give a heads up. I took advantage (or the other way around) of the current 3 for 2 offer and ended up purchasing 2 fuses for my amp and one for my dac. Great service and fast shipping from Chis (VH Audio).
Cable deniers, fuse deniers look elsewhere. These fuses have had glowing reviews and I'm no different. Right out of the box, I noticed the following: more relaxed presentation, which I guess means less hard digital sounding, which means probably a lowered noise floor. Dynamics are more even and there is a richness to the overall sound that gives it more of a full, natural presentation. It's not so much that "veils are lifted" as much as there is much more solidity--bass impact, imaging, mid range are improved like when you go to a better quality cable.
If you A) plan to keep your equipment and B) don't have fuses blowing all the time and C)see this as improving your sound rather than solving an issue, and D) if you see this as an investment in your overall sound, then E) buy the damn things.
Again for those A-holes that have nothing better to do than bad mouth something they haven't heard STFU! If you have heard it, of course comment. Thanks!

 

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What fuse did you have before?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 07:34:52
hawkmoon
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 I have the Blue fuses and am considering the orange in my amplifier. Chris from VH audio is the best by the way!

 

RE: What fuse did you have before?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 08:39:43
Ric
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 I think I had the red, they are blue with a red line going thru the lightning bolt (?) At any rate, to hear an improvement over the previous is big. Read the reviews at high end electronics, I think many found this version to be the best.

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 4, 2020 at 09:57:46
Tre'
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 I am not going to STFU. Instead I will give you a challenge.

Take a piece of 16 gauge wire (or whatever size wire is leading to the fuse holder and away from the fuse holder) and solder it across the fuse holder. Listen to that to see what that sounds like. Now find a fuse that sounds like that.

If you don't try this then you haven't heard it and you can STFU.

Note, while the wire is shorting across the fuse holder your unit will not be fused and if something goes wrong with the unit it will set your house on fire. So be careful. Never leave a unit without a fuss on a permanent basis. Only for short term testing, while you're paying attention.

Tre'
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Of course everything sounds better!, posted on August 4, 2020 at 10:50:22
Mike K
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 You just spent a whole bunch of money on ... fuses!

If you believe it, you'll hear it!

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

STFU yourself, posted on August 4, 2020 at 11:49:15
Uncle Mike
 A-hole

 

Yup. nt, posted on August 4, 2020 at 13:09:40
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Be sure to try the fuse both ways, posted on August 4, 2020 at 13:20:04
hawkmoon
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 One direction will sound better. I've listened to Furutech, ACME, Hi-Fi tuning Fuses at length in my amplifers. Each fuse has its own signature sound.

 

RE: Be sure to try the fuse both ways, posted on August 4, 2020 at 17:14:12
Davey
 Fuses are not directional because the current flowing through them (in AC applications) is not directional.
Even IF a fuse had a diode effect the net result would still not be audible.

Tweaking is one thing. Nonsensical adventures down an audiophile rabbit hole is something else.

Dave.

 

RE: Be sure to try the fuse both ways, posted on August 4, 2020 at 17:35:25
Lew
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 You've made the error of applying logic to audio.

 

Have you forgotten this exchange, Lew?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 17:47:41
1973shovel
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 I've still never tried it, but Ralph from Atma-Sphere seems to think there's something to it. (link below) Scientific, and measurable, according to him.

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 4, 2020 at 18:07:39
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 I had replaced the stock fuse in my Cary SLI-80 with a Synergistic Blue. It was dramatically better. In due course, I replaced the Blue with the Orange. It's incrementally better, but it *is* better.

 

Have you tried it?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 18:16:38
hawkmoon
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 It's fun to try different things. That's what this hobby is all about.

 

RE: Have you tried it?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 20:21:20
Davey
 There's nothing to try.
An AC line fuse is switching direction 120 times a second.
The premise of a directional fuse is a canard.

Dave.

 

RE: Have you forgotten this exchange, Lew?, posted on August 4, 2020 at 20:30:09
Tre'
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 If fuses sound different (for whatever reason) try no fuse so you will know what you're shooting for. Jump the fuse holder with the same gauge wire as the wires leading to and from the fuse holder and have a listen to that.

Be very careful. If anything shorts out there will be no fuse protection. Don't burn your house down.

Until you try this test you have no idea which fuse is "right' and which is not.

Tre'
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RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 04:49:14
Frank_Locke
 Maybe because I'm not a scientist I'm ok saying something works or can work though it "shouldn't." I'll let the scientists battle it out while I'm enjoying the music. :) It's all an illusion anyway, so why not?

I experimented with 2 Hi-Fi Tuning fuses, which were good/interesting, before buying 1 SR Orange fuse. This was for my pre amp. The SR Orange added the illusion of a 3 dimensionality to the sound that I like. the other fuses did not create this sound. So the SR Orange stayed in the pre amp.

Definitely directional.

I would love to experiment with more fuses in all my other gear but I don't have the time or inclination to take everything apart. Maybe at a later date.

 

I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 5, 2020 at 06:46:05
1973shovel
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 I decided to remind Lew of his exchange with Ralph, hoping he had actually tried Ralph's suggested experiment and would post his results.

Ralph's explanation regarding voltage drop at least offered me some possible scientific plausibility regarding the efficacy of various fuses and/or their directionality.

Meanwhile, I'm busy trying to see if I can improve a 12AX7 based phono stage I build years ago, and honestly, that interests me a lot more than "the sound of" fuses.





 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 06:53:45
Ric
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 See, this is part of the problem, which means many comments are reactionary negative comments that are not in response to the subject which is listening to a new product.
If you have something positive to say (that is not about listening to the new product, then open your own post, and say something like "I really recommend trying no fuse, after trying other fuses, this is my finding" (or something like that). Instead, people blast, either what they don't hear, or it scientifically doesn't make sense or the cost is too high.
I have no plans on bypassing the fuse, but I'd enjoy hearing what YOU hear in comparison to. Start your own thread!

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 5, 2020 at 07:09:42
Tre'
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 "Ralph's explanation regarding voltage drop at least offered me some possible scientific plausibility regarding the efficacy of various fuses and/or their directionality. "

I agree. It's just that every time this comes up it surprises me no one seems to have thought of trying no fuse. That's the only way to get a base line.


Tre'
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Pretty weak argument. . . , posted on August 5, 2020 at 07:19:54
hawkmoon
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 How hard is it?

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 07:24:27
Tre'
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 I have ran gear with no fuse many times. A properly designed circuit (speaking mainly of the power supply) with a properly sized fuse (that is a technical term, not some subjective opinion) behaves no different with or without the fuse.

That being said, if a fancy fuse causes a unit to sound different than it sounds with no fuse, then the fancy fuse is doing something wrong.

A person is free to like the change to the sound caused by a fuse that is doing something wrong but, on the other hand, if the unit is listened to with no fuse first, then that person would have a base line to judge fuses by.

Does than make any sense to you or do I still need to STFU?

Tre'
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Yes, I had forgotten that exchange, but..., posted on August 5, 2020 at 08:26:07
Lew
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 I fail to see how there is a conflict between what I wrote above, to the effect that audiophilia and logic are sometimes not good partners, and the bit about Ralph's idea on fuses. In any case, I followed up that subject with Ralph, privately. He and I are long time related as customer and manufacturer, so long that we have become friends. I own a now very old MP1 preamp and a pair of his large OTL amplifiers, to drive a big ESL. I would never be so presumptuous as to say that those who hear elaborate improvements in SQ, due to exotic fuses, are "wrong", and I didn't say that here. I guess my private doubts come across in my tone. You could call me an agnostic or a hypocrite, but I do use Acme fuses in the output stage of my circlotron amplifiers, where fuses are in series with the signal. I also installed Acme fuseholders to go with. Acme seems to offer "audiophile" fuses and fuseholders at a reasonable cost. One of my pet comments here and elsewhere, which you can also dig up, is to wonder aloud why one would install a very expensive fuse in a typically poor quality fuseholder. Acme at least takes a shot at making a good fuseholder. I wonder whether Oyaide or Furutech make such a product, now I think of it.

I think any of us could go over our systems and find things we do religiously that make no logical sense or that are supported by very faulty logic. It's OK. We're human.

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 08:30:20
Lew
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 After at least a month or so of listening to the SR Orange, did you try going back to your previous fuse for a second listen?

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 11:32:38
Frank_Locke
 I did. I went back at every stage.

First Hi Fi Tuning fuse back to the stock fuse. Hi Fi was better.
Second Hi Fi Tuning fuse back to fist. Tough call. They sounded very different but after experimenting with directionality I stuck with the second Hi Fi Tuning fuse, which was the Silver Star.

Then I got the ST Orange, played with directionality, then tried the silver star again. All 3 were interesting and sounded "good" but the SR Orange did the most right and the least wrong. Since I can't roll them in and out with each record I stuck with SR Orange.

I think I gave them 2 weeks each, not a month.

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 5, 2020 at 12:03:12
Lew
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 Even to find that one fuse sounds any different from another would be interesting, and in fact, I had that experience, but I am still not quite willing to believe my ears. There were 4 other audiophiles in the room, at least two of whom are highly respected audio designers known to us all. The fuse was fusing the LED display on an otherwise totally passive preamplifier, which was really only an attenuator, no AC required. So, we did it for fun, comparing a boutique fuse to a hardware store fuse that came with the unit. All of us agreed with no dissent that the sound was better with the cheap fuse. Go figure.

In keeping with the kind of argument Ralph made, I guess it's possible that having a clean contact surface at each end of a fuse is important, on the notion that unwanted resistance and/or whatever inductance and capacitance can be elicited by a poor contact might alter the AC. I don't even like airing this idea; it's grasping at straws for sure.

 

RE: Have you tried it?, posted on August 5, 2020 at 13:39:22
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 To expound further on Davey's point, the idea that electrons or charge carriers are marching back and forth on a wire is a rather poor simplification. The current density at a given point is changing but the actual movement of charge carriers (drift velocity) is slow. The movement of free electrons in a metal is random and application of a voltage (electron force) causes a general shift of the electrons in the opposite direction of the field. In a conductive solid this rate of movement is about 1 mm/sec, and in a vacuum tube, it is about 1/10 the speed of light. This is different from the electromagnetic wave that is propagated (see Maxwell). Also the assignment of the direction of the carriers is entirely arbitrary based on the convention that electrons have a negative charge. So the idea that current flow is affected by the orientation of a fuse is just nonsense.



"Our head is round in order to allow our thoughts to change direction." Francis Picabia

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 5, 2020 at 14:12:43
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 "The fuse was fusing the LED display on an otherwise totally passive preamplifier"

That would be a place to safely try no fuse at all.


Tre'
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I didn't intend to sound like I was calling you out, Lew, posted on August 5, 2020 at 14:32:56
1973shovel
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 As I said to Tre', I was actually hoping you tried Ralph's suggestion. Every time I read it, I always tell myself that I've got to try that "one of these days", but never have.

I didn't take your post as a "They can't make a difference!" position. I don't come on here to routinely disparage tweaks I haven't tried either. I only jumped in on this one because of Ralph (who's an electrical engineer, if I remember correctly) offering an easily measurable reason why fuses might make a difference.

As I've said in other posts before, my biggest hesitancy, in addition to price, is the reliability factor of these things. If I knew that a $100 fuse would open exactly the same as a $1 UL rated one would when over-loaded, I might try one. I wouldn't be happy if I fried one of my old Dynaco amps due to a fuse not reacting, but if my First Watt F1J (only 100 made) went up in smoke because of a boutique fuse not opening in time, forgiving myself would NOT be easy.



 

Ahh, but what wire, Tre'?, posted on August 5, 2020 at 14:35:31
1973shovel
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 Everybody knows that one inch of bad wire...

Sorry, I couldn't resist it.

 

RE: Ahh, but what wire, Tre'?, posted on August 5, 2020 at 15:08:28
Tre'
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 Oh but it's true, it's true. This is why, for the test to be valid, you have to use the same wire as the wire leading to and from the fuse holder. :-)

I am so grateful that I received a good electronic education early in life so I wouldn't fall into the many traps of this nutty hobby.

Tre'
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RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 5, 2020 at 16:16:35
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 An inexpensive sand-filled ceramic fuse with silver alloy wire is a good place to start (or end). It's better sounding than a typical glass fuse, IME.

See link:

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 5, 2020 at 19:11:30
tweakmenow
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 Excellent report on the Orange fuses. Thanks, and enjoy the improved sound.

 

agnostic , posted on August 6, 2020 at 04:50:35
1973shovel
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 Thanks Duster.

"Fuse Skeptic" was not the best choice of words for me to use. In retrospect, I like Lew's "agnostic" a lot better. I honestly do try and keep an open mind about some of these things.

As I said to Lew below, I'm not comfortable using a fuse, whether it costs $3 or $150, without knowing if it meets UL test requirements for opening when it's supposed to.

I know some make the same argument about aftermarket power cords not having UL approval. That doesn't bother me (if they're well made), because I have fire extinguishers. But an internal malfunction in an irreplaceable amplifier causing it to be destroyed because a fuse from Taiwan did not open properly, that's a risk I'm not willing to take.

 

RE: Have you tried it?, posted on August 6, 2020 at 04:55:52
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 But it sounds different! That's the point-and its very easy to try.

 

traps, posted on August 6, 2020 at 05:43:04
1973shovel
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 I do understand, Tre'. As an example, when I started fooling around with upgrading old tube equipment back in the early 1990s, a friend suggested I take a basic electricity course, which I did.

I was a Stereophile reader at the time, and when the instructor described electrons moving through copper wire, I clearly remember thinking to myself, "Then how can wire affect 'sound'?". Yet I had taken part in a blind (but not double-blind) impromptu interconnect listening test, where differences were heard by those of us sitting in front of the speakers.

My point is, if a basic electricity class caused doubts, then I can only imagine what having an engineering degree might do to my thinking. Voodoo and magic come to mind. I recently found a post by Twystd (link below), where he was comparing unbypassed cathode resistors, metal film to carbon film. His EE friend was there, heard the difference, and, "He immediately got angry and accused me of trickery, then stormed out."

So, like Lew, I'm somewhere in the middle. I have my doubts, but try and keep an open mind. Call it a Missourian "show me" approach, even though I've never been to Missouri.

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 6, 2020 at 06:58:56
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 No, that's great. But if you could post the differences you hear sonically. I am asking for a subjective opinion from you based on what your ears hear. Whether something measures the same, or different tells me nothing about the sound change. What do YOU hear?
It also seems that Synergistic utilizes some type of concentrated crystals for many of their products (as does Bybee) and it may be that the fuse itself does less than the crystal type application they are using.
What I'm arguing, is that the "measurement speak" does not follow up with "subjective speak" i.e., "this thing measures...and I am hearing...."
Just saying that something measures a certain way tells my subjectivist brain nothing. What is the change in sound quality? For me that's always the bottom line....

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 6, 2020 at 07:51:49
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 What I'm arguing is that if you think fuses make a difference to the sound of a piece of audio gear then you need to hear that piece without a fuse.

Then and only then will you know what you are looking for.

Unless you want a fuse that changes the sound of the unit to your liking. At that point all bets are off and the whole thing becomes completely subjective.

But it you want to know what your amp (or whatever piece of audio gear) sounds like without any possible harmful effects of a fuse then do as I have instructed and then go find a fuse that makes the piece of gear sound like that.

To me what I am saying makes perfect sense and is perfectly logical and I can't understand how or why anyone would argue with it.

If you want to know what a fried egg tastes like without salt, you cook and eat one without putting salt on it. On the other hand it you just want to taste the differences between different types of salt then keep doing what you're doing. Trying different fuses until you find the one that makes your amp sound (tastes) the way you like. But please understand that that is two different things.

Tre'
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RE: traps, posted on August 6, 2020 at 08:32:06
Tre'
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 But there is a problem right out of the gate. Do you know what unbypassed cathode resistors do to the performance of a tube?

I'm not saying that resistors all sound the same, they don't. But the overall sound of a circuit using an unbypassed cathode resistor will be greatly compromised to start with so you might just end up just comparing crap to more crap.

I don't find much value in that.

Tre'
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It wasn't an argument. (nt), posted on August 6, 2020 at 09:37:50
Davey
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Fuse test from 2010..., posted on August 6, 2020 at 12:38:56
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HiFi Tuning ran some tests some years ago and published the results. I was intrigued because I personally found boutique fuses had less resistance than their off the shelf equivalents. Does approaching the lowest resistance possible impact the sound? Akin to one of the posts referring to a piece of copper wire.

Would be interesting how different brands would compare since that time. And perhaps done by a neutral party.

This is a screen shot of one of the published pages. I have also provided a download link for the entire paper.

Cheers!

Jonesy




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RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 6, 2020 at 14:05:59
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 Interesting comment, and thank you for chiming in.

I currently have the SR Blue in my CAT SL1. I just within the last 30 minutes, ordered an Orange to replace it.

 

RE: Fuse test from 2010..., posted on August 6, 2020 at 17:38:48
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 You make a good point, Jonesy.

Perhaps that's the reason why a silver alloy wire sounds better than ordinary fuse wire.

 

RE: Fuse test from 2010..., posted on August 6, 2020 at 18:24:57
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 Thanks Duster,

And that table is based on DC resistance.

AC resistance is more complex. Equal to 1.6 times that of DC resistance. The electrical formulas make my head hurt. Then throw in the skin effect in alternating current, not present in DC. Lot's going on when compressed into a tiny sliver of wire in those fuses.

I prefer to look at it the way you do... silver alloy a better conductor. Case closed.

Cheers!

Jonesy


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comparing crap to more crap, posted on August 7, 2020 at 06:07:19
1973shovel
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 "But the overall sound of a circuit using an unbypassed cathode resistor will be greatly compromised to start with so you might just end up just comparing crap to more crap."

After a quick look at the schematics, I don't believe any of my equipment uses cathode bypass caps!

At the risk of getting a legitimate STFU from the original poster, I'll post any further questions I have over on DIY Tubes.

Thanks Tre'!

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 7, 2020 at 06:24:47
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 I think we can agree to disagree. You are right about listening to a piece without a fuse. BUT--given that my amp is a tube amp, I'm not about to bypass the fuses at this point in time. Maybe with a crappier amplifier.
But even so, for the sake of argument, let's say I did that and heard a difference.
Then we get back to what I was asking for--a subjective comparison of sound quality based on no fuse vs. fuse, or no fuse vs. boutique fuses, etc.
If you have done that, can you comment on what you are hearing in terms of sound quality?

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 7, 2020 at 21:39:31
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 I don't think you'll be disappointed. Also, for what it's worth, I feel the Orange breaks in faster than the Blue. Fuses break in? Yep.

I formerly owned a CAT SL1. Great pre!

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 7, 2020 at 23:06:07
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 Ric,

I agree with you that the deciding factor for an audiophile is how the music sounds subjectively to their ears, not how it ought to sound on the basis of science/argument.

The problem is that how the music subjectively sounds to the same individual with the same equipment in the same place differs unaccountably over time due to variable factors. The quality of the incoming AC current, the humidity, the listener's level of stress, fatigue, and digestion, the time of day (absence of distraction at night-time) etcetera. So the level playing field on which we make our listening judgments is seldom level for long and we find ourselves having difficulty explaining the fluctuating impressions and not just between the first and second. We are comprised of chemicals with a nervous system shooting electrical messages at 200mph+ between brain and body so it's hardly surprising that we are hardly the most stable listening platform day-to-day.

People of calm disposition in good, stable health may be less impacted by internal human weather but are equally subject to constantly changing external factors.

Dry Ginger

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 8, 2020 at 07:54:38
Ric
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 Yeah, I think that's exactly why it is important for reviewers to listen to their equipment for weeks or preferably months--just listening to a few cuts and noting how different they sound A/B-ing it does not the the equipment justice.
Let the designers use measurements and let the reviewers/owners use their ears....

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 8, 2020 at 13:31:07
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 Well Tre, IMHO listening to no fuse and then trying to find a fuse that is properly rated is a ludicrous suggestion. I would think it impossible to use a properly rated fuse with a thin wire and have it compete with no fuse at all. A suggestion that has no utility in deciding if and which properly rated fuse sounds the best according to any particular listener. Apples to oranges.


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
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RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 8, 2020 at 13:33:02
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 Are these Aucharm safety certified?


So let us stop talkin' falsely now, the hour's getting late --
Robert Allen Zimmerman

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 8, 2020 at 14:11:44
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 Doesn't do the reader justice either, Ric.

Reviewers are paid by the word, frequently rely on A-B listening sessions as you say, and then write up the review subject to a manufacturer's advertising influence and seductive special equipment offers. It takes an audiophile who can recognize a professional reviewer and is thoroughly familiar with their style to benefit from insightful inferences hidden behind the surface of the text, doesn't it. It's remarkable that media so burdened can survive.

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 8, 2020 at 15:17:37
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 I would expect the product is built by a reputable Taiwanese manufacturer. A fuse is not something amateurs attempt to build without concern about consumer safety. The Taiwanese and Chinese electrical products I choose to use have no UL safety certification involved, neither do the vast majority of audiophile power cords sourced from anywhere in the world. Nobody is twisting listeners arms to use a silver alloy fuse from Taiwan if they don't wish to. Perhaps you will do the grunt work and investigate the nature of consumer safety guidelines in Taiwan and report back to the forum.

 

RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 8, 2020 at 20:07:21
Tre'
Industry Professional

Posts: 17297
Location: So. Cal.
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 OK. So how about this? Listen without a fuse, to know what the unit is capable of, then find the fuse that is closest.

I'll STFU now.

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
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RE: synergistic orange fuse, posted on August 9, 2020 at 07:13:53
Ric
Audiophile

Posts: 364
Joined: October 14, 2001
 Yeah, I suppose if you want to play the game, you have to prostitute yourself to some extent. I'm sure it's a PITAss to go through the hassle of getting the equipment, having a deadline,hooking it up, listening, evaluating, comparing, sending it back, and doing it all over again with more equipment.
Not my cuppa tea, and perhaps it pays the bills for some, but on the other hand, I have bought equipment based on good reviews, so I am appreciative there is SOME evaluation, biased or not!

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 9, 2020 at 11:21:38
tweaker456
Audiophile

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Location: SF Bay Area
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 A fuse is a safety device, a power cord is not. By your "logic" there is no need for any certification of fuses. Those who object to using any fuse that has not been certified by an independent organization like UL or CCC, Chinese Compulsory Certification or a number of others are completely reasonable in wanting independent certification of a safety device like a fuse, IMHO.




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I remember a magazine article from the 80's..., posted on August 9, 2020 at 11:23:18
Jonesy
Audiophile

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Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Joined: September 1, 2005
Contributor
  Since: March 1, 2018
 where someone not only did point to point wiring at the fuse junctions, but also soldered interconnect and speaker cables sans plugs/jacks directly between all components. Sounded fantastic per the article. Never heard anything further on it. Guess it didn't catch on.

Cheers!

Jonesy


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RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 9, 2020 at 12:40:16
Duster
Manufacturer

Posts: 17117
Location: Pacific Northwest
Joined: August 25, 2002



I did not object to 1973shovel's position on the subject, nor anyone else's.

You asked if the product is safety certified:

The AMR Gold Fuse is the same product as the Aurcharm and the MS Audio Valab fuse. According to AMR Audio, the product involves UL SA PSE CE CCC approval.

See link:

 

RE: agnostic , posted on August 10, 2020 at 00:33:04
Duster
Manufacturer

Posts: 17117
Location: Pacific Northwest
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 Just a heads-up, 1973shovel.

See link:

 

RE: I'm a fuse skeptic, posted on August 15, 2020 at 10:37:58
Lew
Audiophile

Posts: 10911
Location: Bethesda, Maryland
Joined: December 11, 2000
 The opportunity to do that is long gone. The system and the attenuator were not mine, and now my friend who owned that system has sold it lock, stock, and barrel. In order to downsize.

 

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