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Review of replacing a 7199 with a E80CF

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Posted on July 22, 2017 at 07:35:03
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My Sherwood S-5000 finally lost a 7199 a week or so ago. I reviewed my options, rewired the socket and went with the Amperex 7643 E80CF. Having very little info and sparse reviews to go on I was nervous. Hopefully this review will help others that will soon be facing that same issue.

My 7199's had a very vintage sound. Meaning a somewhat over the top lower treble/upper mid with a bit of a tubby bass. Now don't get me wrong I LIKED the sound of my Sherwood, 7199's and all.

The 7643 after only three hours sounded great - good bones as I call it. The first thing I noticed was I had to turn up the volume past my previous listening position. The bloat in the lower treble/mid was completely gone and the bass was a tad laid back but VERY tight. One thing that really jumped out at me was how the depth of the music improved. Not just more treble, like the effect commonly heard on solid state stereos, but actual 3D sound. The sound was definitely more balanced.

After about 5-8 hours the midrange and bass quickly filled in. The bass clearly came back up quickly. So much so that I had to turned the bass control down from what it was set on with the 7199's. Clarity is excellent, imaging is still good and smooth like a tube should be.

I am VERY happy with this tube. It retains the qualities of the original 7199 sound and adds a few improvements.

I would like to thank Jim McShane for, as usual, making an excellent recommendation.

Happy rewiring.

 

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RE: Review of replacing a 7199 with a E80CF, posted on July 22, 2017 at 08:40:47
fredtr
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Thank-you for posting your review. I'm definitely tempted to do the same.

 

you did replace both tubes?, posted on July 22, 2017 at 15:16:33
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they're the drivers for the OPT tubes?

EMWTKnow.


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But only one tube is bad, posted on July 22, 2017 at 18:30:24
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So why should I do both?





Ahhhhh just bustin ya. Of course I did both. If I had a few extra bucks kicking around I would try rolling some other 6U8's and 6BL8's.

 

Okay so my next point is that the improvements you heard may not be due to the tube type / configuration. , posted on July 22, 2017 at 20:15:19
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But to the fact that the replacements are more up to the job than the ageing 7199s were, by the time you noticed the problems.

I'd be inclined to bet on it.

Which is very probably the same as with the 7199s when they were still up to the job. Unless of course the new passive components surrounding each tube - so that they do the job of splitter driver properly for the circuit - are in better nick than the passive bits which were around the 7199s you replaced.

:-)!

Glad you are happy with the sound. Did you buy some more pairs of the E80CF? I would.


Note that in my old review (under Reviews here) of the rebuild of my LEAK St20s, I assumed that it's the changes - not the renewal - that drove the improvements, that were obvious. While a bigger, quieter PSU is an established plus, lower mu high GM splitter drivers might not be.

I am not going to do DBTs on each change. ;-)


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RE: But only one tube is bad, posted on July 23, 2017 at 07:40:48
fredtr
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If you ever get around to trying 6u8's I have a bunch of them, various brands, advertised and tested NOS, you are welcome to try. I ended up with them for a Scott tuner, used as a mixer. I would change it, and it would get more difficult to tune after a month or so. I kept trying different tubes, brands etc., finally read a posting that said have to use 6u8a in that application. It doesn't make sense because the only difference is supposed to be heater is slower to come to temp, but the poster was sure right. Put in a 6u8a never had the problem again.

 

Thanks for your take on this, posted on July 25, 2017 at 08:13:38
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I've got two unmolested Dynaco ST-70s (In a third, I've already installed the VTA board, but wouldn't do it with the other two), along with an SCA-35 still using 7199s.

It's good to hear you're happy with the change.

Was there anything involved, beyond rewiring the sockets?

 

RE: Thanks for your take on this, posted on July 25, 2017 at 12:25:29
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No, just rewire the socket and plug the tube in.

I figured that these tubes should out last me. That's why I didn't mind spending a few extra bucks on the Amperex C80CF's. Besides I love using the Sherwood.

I assumed the 7199's were getting kind of tired anyway.

 

I appreciate the information, posted on July 26, 2017 at 09:16:56
1973shovel
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The 7199s in my EFB modded SCA-35 aren't going to last forever, so it's good to have a plan B in place.

Thanks again.

 

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