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Posted on December 21, 2020 at 18:15:12
FlaCharlie
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 Where's Waldo now? Looks like the good doctor, who I prefer to call Reverend Lowmu, has been banned again.

Based on the dates of his final posts he was banned from DIY Audio in Dec. 2016 and then from AA in March 2017. He reappeared on Hi-Fi Haven and was banned there in April 2018.

I often post over at AK where he turned up next. I tried to get him to adopt a different approach so as not to come into conflict with the culture of the site. He only lasted a few months before being banned there in July 2018.

More recently, he started posting over on the tube section of the Klipsch forum, even though he apparently doesn't own any Klipsch gear.

This time he's not only been banned, he's been purged. They actually removed all of his posts!





I'm wondering if @deathtube 667 , @drummerwill or @tubewrangler have heard from him recently.

Has he found a new venue for his proselytizing? What other tube forums are there?

 

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RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 21, 2020 at 19:05:08
rivervalley817
 'What other tube forums are there?'

if they're mentioned he will appear

almost like the Candyman films, so if someone knows of them

please don't say it out loud

regards,

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 21, 2020 at 20:07:45
Eli Duttman
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 I applaud Klipsch. Excellent handling of a miscreant who constantly peddles "Snake Oil".

Shouting fire in a crowded theater, when no fire is present, is (quite correctly) proscribed. Harsh punishment is appropriate.


Eli D.

 

I introduced Jeff to the Acrosound group. Don't know how that one worked out,, posted on December 21, 2020 at 21:39:06
viridian
 ..as I sold my Acrosound amp and left the forum. I like him, but that no filter thing lacks a bit of socialization. I know that others are just fed up, and rightfully so.

 

Posting nonsense on an audio chat board focused on building stuff using ELECTRON TUBES..., posted on December 22, 2020 at 05:37:53
Ivan303
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 in itself nonsense, is hardly akin to shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded theater.

And who is this 'Waldo' character?

Dennis and his fellow travelers are hardly a threat to democracy, speaking of which I best leave now....






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: I introduced Jeff to the Acrosound group. Don't know how that one worked out,, posted on December 22, 2020 at 07:10:25
lokie
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 Uh?!? What?!?? There's an Acrosund Group?

Can I get it on this? Do I need an invite? I'm card carrying with my Eico HF-60.

 

Is Yahoo Groups gone? Here is the link., posted on December 22, 2020 at 08:40:09
viridian
 Though the site is more geared to the Acro amps and preamps than it is to transformers. I can't get the link to work though:

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 22, 2020 at 09:22:58
deathtube 667
 Last I heard from JDM he was promoting a group buy for some of DF's custom magnetics for use in SE tube amps.

Put my order in some months ago but no parts have arrived to date.

Banned and purged... sounds like 1984, sir.

Brave new world.

DT 667

 

Yahoo pulled the plug on all its groups months ago, posted on December 22, 2020 at 09:34:58
Triode_Kingdom
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 Our CNC machining group had to migrate elsewhere, too.

 

True but they migrate very easily to groups.io nt, posted on December 22, 2020 at 10:27:14
Stephen R
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 nt

 

RE: Posting nonsense on an audio chat board focused on building stuff using ELECTRON TUBES..., posted on December 22, 2020 at 10:48:57
Triode_Kingdom
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 "hardly a threat to democracy"

He was a threat to the viability of the group.


 

Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Nt, posted on December 22, 2020 at 15:58:03
viridian
 Nt

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 22, 2020 at 19:49:36
gilmorneau
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 Many years ago, I met LowMu at an RMAF. Seemed like a super nice guy--chatty, amiable, enthusiastic about hi-fi. But his posts on audio fora, good grief!! Let it go, buddy. Your way is not the ONLY way! You don't have audio enlightenment that has escaped everyone else. Your mentor isn't a god.

I agree he's not a menace to society or anything, and without being in his head (no, thanks!) I couldn't tell if he's a troll or merely a zealot. Either way, people grow weary of his antics. Me, I can ignore it.

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 22, 2020 at 20:39:03
rivervalley817
 'Me, I can ignore it'

no, you can't ... otherwise why post this?

see? me either ... aberrant behavior generates gossip

ah well, I too marvel at iconoclasm and delusional grandeur

I check myself at taking it too seriously though

just like my 'stereo'

be well,






 

Some people are easily threatened..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 05:41:46
Ivan303
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 others just amused.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Depends on what you consider 'it' to be..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 06:06:12
Ivan303
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 I guess I've done a pretty good job ignoring Jeff as I didn't know he was the 'Waldo' in question nor realize that he was banned. Pretty hard to get 'banned' from Audio Asylum.

Romy? Magnetar? Only two I can recall getting PERMANENT bans.

I suppose it's easier to be tolerent when you know the people involved.

Have known Dennis (and Romy and even Mike/Magnetar) for years. It was a group of Utah tube crazies I used to hang with when I lived there who gave Dennis his nickname The Tube Wrangler; a nickname he originally HATED but later adopted. Anyone who keeps a JBL Paragon in a double-wide in Livingston, WY (before the fire) can not be all THAT bad.

Jeff? Nice enough guy in person and as far as Dennis and his brother, as nice as one could ever meet.









First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

He was/is? merely lonely... negative attention is better than none. "I look at all the lonely people", posted on December 23, 2020 at 06:52:29
Cleantimestream
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 !
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.

 

RE: Some people are easily threatened..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 07:39:12
PakProtector
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 Nah, the 'validity' thesis is valid. People are quite easy to to manipulate, and result of said manipulation by the existence of nonsense is hardly good.

Given that easy-to-elicit response, it is hardly difficult to see why such mayhem resulted on rec.audio.tubes once upon a time.

Cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: Some people are easily threatened...for sure, posted on December 23, 2020 at 07:58:25
deathtube 667
 The pillory was too good for our dear friend JDM, so the enlightened moderation of AA forums banished him to the Land of Nod.

The creation of complex cathode bypass bundles and mutilation of magnetic leadout wires was too much for them to endure.

Now that the hideous threat to established electrical science and reason has been marginalized, we can all go back to our lives of blissful conformity.

A Hero's End indeed.

DT 667



 

RE: Depends on what you consider 'it' to be..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 10:57:51
rivervalley817
 it was never my impression that they're not nice

except one incident where it appeared that Mr. Farker was threatening the late, great, Allen Wright ... which he vehemently denied

of course, that is all in the rear view mirror

I actually stood next to LoMu years ago in Naperville, IL when he was helping a compadre` who was doing sound for a local concert at the Catholic College ... recognized him from here, but didn't introduce myself

it sure brought home that it's a small world

wouldn't want to have to paint it though!

with regards,



 

But that is not why he was banned., posted on December 23, 2020 at 11:48:12
91derlust
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 Can't be letting reality get in the way of our beliefs. That applies to all of us.

"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein

 

Doesn't apply much to anybody in the country today., posted on December 23, 2020 at 12:25:49
Ivan303
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 Look where we are with the COVID compared to the rest of the developed and undeveloped world.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Custom Magnetics?, posted on December 23, 2020 at 13:00:04
gusser
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 What is customized? The lead out wires? I thought Magnequest already used silver plated Teflon wire?

Or is this #4awg wiring for "maximum transfer efficiency"?

 

RE: Depends on what you consider 'it' to be..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 18:25:54
lokalbrown
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 And who can forget Dr. FlingPoo.

 

RE: what is reality ..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 18:33:36
deathtube 667
 "Can't be letting reality get in the way of our beliefs. That applies to all of us."

Reality is highly malleable as are time and space on the astral planes.

It starts with intent, belief and the power of will to manifest required transformation to occur inside the mental universe.

Ultimately, the ear of the beholder and the perception of their individual audio reality obscures everything.

Given the current state of the world, perhaps not such a bad thing.






DT 667

 

RE: Custom Magnetics?, posted on December 23, 2020 at 18:48:55
deathtube 667
 "What is customized? The lead out wires? I thought Magnequest already used silver plated Teflon wire?"

"Or is this #4awg wiring for "maximum transfer efficiency"?

The parts were wound in a very specific way per DF to optimize performance for the intended purpose.

Since I don't have the parts, it is difficult to elaborate further or know the magnitude of improvement to be realized subjectively.


DT 667

 

RE: what is reality ..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 19:59:03
rivervalley817
 'Reality is highly malleable '

not on a macro level it's not

'as are time and space'

physics isn't a consensus

'on the astral planes'

I'm impressed with your thinking beyond 'self'
and consensus reality ... but ... physics

'Ultimately, the ear of the beholder and the perception'

that's called 'taste' ... isn't it?

I used to love equalizers in the signal path when I was a kid, and still do to the extent of using filters in the digital domain

but to pretend there's 'holey moley' in circuits intentionally tuned by ear without even a nod or a wink to how or why and declaring those 'pure'? to foist upon others that the only way to achieve transcendent music reproduction is down to some frikkin secret masonic handshake? bah! as a very wise man recently stated, that's bananas! not only that, but in this case, the reality consensus dictates that it's cynical, self serving, as well as fruit flavored!

what's disconcerting is the impression that you're probably a better amp designer than those you express admiration for just from your comments over the years

ah well, don't mind me, you can carry anybody's water you want to

with regards,










 

Not a bad person..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 20:03:41
Lew
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 After we figured out that we both had been devotee's of KLH 9 ESLs, back in the 70s, he sent me an old photo of him driving a late 50s Porsche Speedster, top down, with a pair of KLH9s perilously sticking out the back. I too owned several pairs of KLH9s and at least half a dozen Porsche Speedsters, at one time or another during the 70s. So, I couldn't dislike him. He was a bit overbearing in expressing his beliefs, to the point where I as a novice could never tell whether I should follow his advice or the advice of the majority who opposed him. I ended up in the latter camp.

His odyssey among internet websites is kind of amusing, so long as he is basically ok with his obsessions.

 

His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 23, 2020 at 21:07:52
Steve O
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 ...made him a difficult person to warm up to IME. He once badgered me with multiple emails during one of his numerous vacations from this place. It was essentially a case of "everyone is entitled to an a opinion but his was the only correct one so don't disagree in public".

I lurk at HiFi Haven. Remember when Jeff showed up there. In the "intro" forum he was very much the gentleman...looked promising. But almost immediately he got into it with a couple of long time members and within a short time "Prime Minister" announced that by mutual agreement Jeff had relinquished his membership and would no longer be posting there. Kinda painful watching all that take place.

Beveridges still singing with your latest discovery?

 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 24, 2020 at 08:01:34
Lew
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 One amplifier done. Now doing the same to second amplifier. Fingers crossed.

 

RE: Posting nonsense on an audio chat board focused on building stuff using ELECTRON TUBES..., posted on December 24, 2020 at 12:41:48
griboon
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 Jeff is what you call a good olé shit! I say chat rooms are like punch bowls.

 

RE: Posting nonsense on an audio chat board focused on building stuff using ELECTRON TUBES..., posted on December 24, 2020 at 14:02:47
Tre'
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 I don't know about 'good olé' but certainly 'full of'.

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on December 25, 2020 at 05:10:28
awsjr
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 when he showed up on the Klipsch tube forum (which was fairly new) we got into a bit of a back and forth as it was the his same pontificating crap... so I got banned until I apologize or at the very least , according to the moron who monitors that forum, I recognize my that it was my fault... f them

 

RE: Custom Magnetics?, posted on December 25, 2020 at 05:11:54
awsjr
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 yet you bought them anyway ?

 

nah..., posted on December 25, 2020 at 06:10:29
PakProtector
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 The lead out instructions were quite specific: 3.2 parallal runs of some special wire. Don't remember exactly whose, but I think it was a maker that personally said he enjoyed selling snake oil to the cult followers he had for customers.
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: Custom Magnetics?, posted on December 25, 2020 at 07:41:29
deathtube 667
 "yet you bought them anyway ?"

Of course. It is pay to play in all cases.

I also own custom designed filter chokes designed by JDM for use in SE tube amps.

But most will buy standard products from Hammond that are "good" enough to get off the ground.

 

RE: what is reality ..., posted on December 26, 2020 at 02:12:59
91derlust
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 It is interesting the stories people tell themselves to protect and strengthen their beliefs.

"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein

 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 26, 2020 at 08:51:08
PakProtector
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 a detail...resulting from him trying all sorts of stuff. The so-called 'flywheel' filter design. He wrote about how good it was. Couple others, ones I'd label Engineers, looked at it, and discovered something interesting. Most importantly, something relatively well defined and repeatable.

As soon as it was properly described, it became his garbage. Dis-owned, and dis-inherited...up to and including denied.

What a waste...
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: Custom chokes designed by JDM?, posted on December 27, 2020 at 20:50:43
gusser
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 Now are these chokes a standard product available from an established transformer manufacture who has the proper tooling.

Or

Are these custom chokes just otherwise good OEM parts butchered up with new wires, tyraps, and painters tape?

 

RE: Custom chokes designed by JDM?, posted on December 28, 2020 at 05:00:00
PakProtector
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 I believe that at some point low moo specified a low DCR, multi-Henry choke and mq stacked a few. Then low moo said another way was better( less inductance, aka the Flywheel), and then he disinherited that design too.
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 28, 2020 at 07:10:41
rage
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 I still think the flywheel supply is an interesting alternative to L-critical when the higher B+ of a cap input supply is needed.

Douglas - I note you tend to attack a few who may have given Jeff an audience at one time or another.

Maybe you forgot but deathtube here spent quite a bit of time actually measuring THD and harmonics of several designs. He does tend to troll and shill for Dennis and Jeff - but I don't think its fair to label him a blind follower.

You've given hints of this to type of attitude to me in the past- and again I don't think you are right to assume someone that has followed Jeff (perhaps briefly) should be so easily dismissed.

Jeff is definitely the loudest guy in the room - and he actually drew me to this forum. These days I find his posts to be as annoying as everyone else -and felt bad for those that had to go through it on the Klipsch forum.

People learn and move on. Jeff hasn't learned how to communicate better, or he won't. For some reason he still gets brought up here and bashed - sometimes I think you guys miss having someone to argue with.


I don't remember DT trying your circuit, E-linear... I have tried it several times and like the concept a lot. I haven't got one to measure decent yet - as I struggle with the CCS and getting the voltages correct to the pentode front end - not a fault of the design itself, just my lack of understanding in implementation and design.


 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 28, 2020 at 09:13:38
Tre'
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 I really thought that when DT started doing his own measurements he would see the folly that is Dennis/Jeff but instead, when he couldn't get good test results, he blamed himself (as if he doesn't know enough to make it right) instead of the design.

Sad.

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 28, 2020 at 09:29:13
rage
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 I think/hope he did. Perhaps not folly - but certainly real world measured performance.

I don't know how you wouldn't learn something from that. I learned DFs circuit measured relatively low distortion but was rolled off up past 15K. It was very obvious. I also learned I couldn't' hear shit past 15K, although that is irrelevant to some.

I think DT trolls like crazy on here but I don't believe he has 100% drank the Kool Aid.

 

RE: His aggressive and dismissive on-line persona..., posted on December 28, 2020 at 09:57:16
rivervalley817
 nicely articulated ... 'why can't I capture lightening in a bottle when I use the same bottle?' but there wasn't any lightening to begin with ... just built in EQ with a tsunami of bias projection; or so it would seem

regards,



 

RE: built DF's circuit ...did anyone really do it right?, posted on December 29, 2020 at 06:00:21
deathtube 667
 "I don't know how you wouldn't learn something from that. I learned DFs circuit measured relatively low distortion but was rolled off up past 15K. It was very obvious. I also learned I couldn't' hear shit past 15K, although that is irrelevant to some."

The problem is that none of us built DF's circuit with exact schematic , BOM, layout etc. Even JDM , he was not using the same 7B4 driver tube and he gave up on it after many attempts to do his version.

The only person I am aware of that might have come close was Coronadope because he is an MLP member. A trusted confident of DF.

DT667

 

RE: built DF's circuit ...did anyone really do it right?, posted on December 29, 2020 at 07:32:01
Tre'
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 "The problem is that none of us built DF's circuit with exact schematic , BOM, layout etc"

None of that should have a large effect on performance.

A 7B4 direct coupled to a 2a3 with a unstable power supply. There's not much to that.

Here is what I am saying, if you have one of Dennis' amps....it wouldn't measure any better.

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

RE: built DF's circuit ...did anyone really do it right?, posted on December 29, 2020 at 10:52:54
rage
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 I don't believe Jeff ever built with the 7B4. Jeff is always looking for that "edge" or next big thing. He wants his own design. That is why he always uses a different driver tube or output tube.

Your measurements are real world. -3db at 20 or 15Khz is a design compromise that Dennis went with. It may get spun different ways - but it is what it is. When you look at the speakers they use you'll see response out past 15Khz really doesn't matter. Deep bass below 50hz isn't terribly important either.

That is what I learned from the experience - that the amp is designed to run Altec VOTTs, model 19s, 416s and 515 woofers, compression drivers that don't extend to 20Khz.

In some instances I like that sound. Those not looking for the "HiFi sound" and more into the happy music machines Tre' alludes to are probably going to enjoy an amp built by Dennis.

It's another form of passive EQing IMO. It's also an interesting way to run an amp at the limit all the time and sound decent. Soft clipping.





 

RE: built DF's circuit ...did anyone really do it right?, posted on December 29, 2020 at 10:59:43
rage
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 Agreed Tre' it would not measure better.

Also once Jeff started with the 30uF first cap in the LSES supply the damn thing did get pretty rough looking in PSUD2.

My personal monoblocks measure 15mV at the speaker terminals despite a noise floor that isn't terrible. It's just too high for me to live with.

One of my Stancore 2708 chokes buzz as input duty also.

So after an extended experiment with several variations on Jeff's designs, along with my own - I am moving on and tearing these things down.

Since they're monoblocks I'm taking the components and building two amps. One is the Tubelab Simple SE with KT120s and Edcore GXSE15-2.5K, the other is Tube Lab SSE V2 with Magenquest DS-025.

I'm hoping the Lloyd Pans 14ga aluminum baking pan chassis will work well for these. The steel 14ga monoblock chassis' are going to the curb.



 

RE: built DF's circuit ...did anyone really do it right?, posted on December 29, 2020 at 14:10:37
Tre'
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 "Those not looking for the "HiFi sound" and more into the happy music machines Tre' alludes to are probably going to enjoy an amp built by Dennis."

And that is the difference.
When ever I talk about something being "wrong" I am speaking of a honest amplifier, meant to reproduce the input signal. Dennis has claimed that that is what he builds. I say BS.

Dennis builds, what I would refer to as a "guitar" amp. A fender amp doesn't sound like a Marshall amp and that is on purpose. Each one gives the distortion, compression, etc. that the designer wants (and guitart players want.

Dennis' amp, hooked up to Dennis' speakers, does what is does and some people will like it but it's not Hi-Fi and there is no since pretending that it is. It's an effect device (like a guitar amp).

In all sincerity.

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

 

14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 29, 2020 at 20:58:33
Triode_Kingdom
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 "I'm hoping the Lloyd Pans 14ga aluminum baking pan chassis will work well for these. "

I'm working with one right now, a 16" X 8" X 2" for a guitar amp. The flanges on the short sides will be used to hold it into the amplifier case (upside down), but I had to remove the flanges on the long sides so my front and rear panels could be attached. That turned out to be quite a challenge. I ended up cutting off most of each flange with a bandsaw. Then I used a 1/4" laminate trimmer in a router to remove most of what was left. There's still a small protrusion all along each edge, but that can be sanded off pretty easily.

Of course, none of this would be necessary for a typical audio amplifier. The chassis could be set into a wood frame from underneath. If the bottom edges of the wood panels were grooved with a dado or router before the frame was assembled, it would create a recess all the way around for the flanges to fit into. A few holes and countersunk screws through the flanges, and it's perfect.

Incidentally, I discovered that the measurements of these pans are inside, not outside. Mine is actually 16.125" X 8.125" X 2.125" (the advertised dimensions plus twice the thickness of the metal). No problem, except I bought 2" strips of 1/8" aluminum to cut into panels. They're not quite tall enough to completely cover the chassis. I can live with it for this project, but I'll probably need to black out the chassis to make it less obvious.

One of these days, I might contact the company to see about changing all this a little. It should be a simple matter to fabricate these without flanges on all four sides, or maybe even to bend the flanges in, instead of out. Lloyd does mention on their site that they're available for custom sheet metal work.

Good luck with your project!









 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 29, 2020 at 21:46:12
rivervalley817
 'I'll probably need to black out the chassis to make it less obvious'

I sure like the idea and look of gluing a nice veneer in place ... an inmate on Vintage showed some work he did modifying the front on a [Dynaco?] chassis to cover holes when eliminating some pots and covering corrosion pitting [I'll give him credit when I get a chance to look] lending a very classy look to it ... use your strips as a backing and the wood grain veneer of your choice to finish the face plate ... ???

just a thought

with regards,

 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 29, 2020 at 22:09:09
Triode_Kingdom
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 There are a lot of ingenious ways to make home-built gear look good. The need to do this on a regular basis led me to put together a small CNC mill some years back. Now I can engrave lettering and designs into aluminum panels and cut any size or shape hole. The 2" panels I bought will get this treatment, and for that reason, they have to be mounted on the outside. It's OK, I can probably adjust the opening at the front of the amp cabinet so only the panel itself sticks through. The error will be most obvious in the rear, but no one including me will ever pay much attention to that.

Here's a panel I made last year for a project that's momentarily on vacation. This is 1/2" thick 6061 aluminum, brushed and clear anodized, then filled with gloss black enamel. Even with the mill, lots of hours in this one.









 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 29, 2020 at 22:26:01
rivervalley817
 very impressive!!

... knowing there's a cake pan behind it makes it even more ...

delicious ... [sorry, had to say it]

best regards,

 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 30, 2020 at 18:28:40
PakProtector
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 Bakers, I suspect are quite like carpenters...adept at hiding Sin. The cake shrinks anyway, so maybe this dimensioning pertains to the finished, de-panned and cooled cake.

Fine work on the front panel. For all that willing effort, I would have been tempted to turn my own knobs.
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on December 30, 2020 at 19:10:33
rivervalley817
 no doubt he has an elegant implementation in mind

it's certainly rare to see such meticulous work by a 'hobbyist'

*whew*

best regards,

[dammit! now I want cake]








 

I got yer cake... :), posted on December 31, 2020 at 21:09:28
PakProtector
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 Schwartzvalder Torte, recipe from The Official Star Trek Cooking Manual. Provided by Mr. Shatner.

Now I want one too.
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: I got yer cake... :), posted on December 31, 2020 at 21:44:29
rivervalley817
 ah! Black Forest Cake

now I want to listen to The Ballad Of John & Yoko

or maybe Songs For A Tailor?

[end: obscure R&R references, but settling on Jack Bruce]

Happy New Year Douglas!




 

RE: 14 ga Aluminum Chassis, posted on January 1, 2021 at 15:10:45
rage
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 pre-amp is looking great!

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on January 7, 2021 at 07:15:29
rage
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 I wanted to go on record with this - though it may count against me.

Jeff's salesmanship gets in the way of seeing that he is really a very helpful person. I've not seen many examples of someone who goes to more effort to help others build. If not for his aggressive postings and disagreements with more established engineering he would be considered a great resource for many new builders.

From chassis building, to layout, schematics and helping to the math for people looking for custom DC tube circuits - Jeff is an extremely helpful person. He just happens to be obsessive and aggressive with is POV.

There isn't ONE way to do this stuff correct - many approaches sound great. The amps need to match the speakers. Jeff I think implements that well for Altec VOTT.

With exception to his hard headed aggressive irritating internet presence he's a great guy and I've learned a lot from him.

 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on January 9, 2021 at 14:49:44
deathtube 667
 "I wanted to go on record with this - though it may count against me."

Going against the establishment has a cost.

JDM never wavered from preaching the "LSES" gospels of his mentor and trying to show others the way.

Ultimately, he payed the price of banishment for his convictions.

Another victim of cancel culture.

DT 667



 

RE: Not Only Banned . . . But Purged, posted on January 9, 2021 at 15:38:50
rage
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 I wouldn't call it cancel culture in the case of Jeff. He does have an obnoxious internet presence at times. :)

 

RE: banishment creates martyrs ..., posted on January 13, 2021 at 10:42:45
deathtube 667
 "I wouldn't call it cancel culture in the case of Jeff. He does have an obnoxious internet presence at times. :)"

JDM's infamous online stature was only magnified by the repeated banishments, IMO.

The true followers on his global email list will only be more committed to the ideologies he promotes.

He probably relishes the "LSES rebel" image and leadership role in the MLP.

Eventually, JDM will find another online audience and hold sway.

DT 667



 

HA! may God help them..., posted on January 21, 2021 at 11:21:51
PakProtector
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 the folk on his list are welcome to him. Quite glad I am no longer receiving email from him. the people on His List are welcome to exalt him as a martyr to their hearts desire.

Just like the Lottery is mostly a tax on people who ignore what statistics say about winning, following jeff is the result of creating their own reality.
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

RE: off the list ..., posted on January 22, 2021 at 15:07:24
deathtube 667
 "Quite glad I am no longer receiving email from him."

Now I see.

You had a falling out with JDM and there are clearly some bitter feelings that are unresolved.


DT 667















 

RE: off the list ..., posted on January 28, 2021 at 16:52:31
PakProtector
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 I have no bitter feelings about Jeff. Just glad he does not think I want to read his opinions.
cheers,
Douglas

Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.

 

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