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Identify old Sprague caps

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Posted on April 23, 2017 at 13:45:04
GeorgePope
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Looks like a 196P but has a funny part number CH05A1NF104K . It's hermetically sealed with glass end caps . 1 1/4" long , 1/2" diameter

Sounds pretty decent . Probably a metallised paper type but wondered if anyone here knew exactly what it is

George

 

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RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 23, 2017 at 14:53:37
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It's MIL spec, but otherwise the materials look somewhat run-of-the-mill. Could be an excellent sounding cap, only way to know would be a comparison with other types in the same amplifier.







 

RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 23, 2017 at 15:58:08
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Mixed dilectric , no doubt paper and polyester dilectric with some form of oil or wax impregnation . Probably intended for pulse applications . I can't find anything similar in old Sprague catalogues apart from 282P series , which were can-type caps

What is the URL of that database ?

george

 

RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 23, 2017 at 16:08:56
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I didn't save the URL, but you should be able to Google it. Try "CH05A1NF." They're metallized paper with a plastic dielectric. Not sure if a special plastic is used at those temperatures, but it's almost certainly dry or impregnated with a non-flowing binder.



 

RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 24, 2017 at 19:15:16
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Those are not a paper cap.Not all caps are that hermetically sealed are a paper dielectric. All Sprague caps that have paper in the dielectric,have a letter P in the part number. Vit Q caps are usually 196P or 176P or 118P which is a paper and polyester dielectric. Even the Sprague Black beauties that are 160P are paper and the 160M are Mylar.Mylar is the fancy name for polyester.
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RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 25, 2017 at 03:55:59
GeorgePope
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According to the specs detailed , it's a hybrid metallised paper and plastic dilectric

George

 

RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 25, 2017 at 04:21:53
Michael Samra
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George
Where are you seeing these specs? You are right tho in your post below when you said about paper impregnation in that they have to be impregnated in oil or wax if it's paper.
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RE: Identify old Sprague caps, posted on April 25, 2017 at 11:37:36
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See link .

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I have my doubts about that cap being paper and here is why., posted on April 26, 2017 at 22:01:47
Michael Samra
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I haven't been able to find that sheet anywhere and it resembles a spread sheet that someone may have made up. Every Sprague cap I own with a paper content,has a P in the number designation. Read this.
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RE: I have my doubts about that cap being paper and here is why., posted on April 27, 2017 at 05:45:44
GeorgePope
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These Sprague caps appear to be intended for military rather than commercial applications hence the lack of data and unusual part numbers . The details previously posted on here look to be correct

Here are details my supplier just sent to me .

'CH05A1NF104K Hermetically Sealed Metallized Polyester Capacitor. MIL-C-18312 Compliant. CH05A1NF104K has unique dual dielectric.
Combination of metallized paper and polyester film, impregnated with high temperature mineral wax. Inserted tab. Insulated.'

George

 

RE: I have my doubts about that cap being paper and here is why., posted on April 28, 2017 at 00:03:33
Michael Samra
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George
He may be right.I'll look and see if I have one of those caps because I am curious now. If I do,I'm going to break it open on the vice for verification.
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