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So you want studio master tapes... be careful what you wish for.

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Posted on May 15, 2021 at 18:51:18
Victor Khomenko
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I got a bunch... all original studio masters, with detailed notes, from a very well known studio. They are 1/2" 30ips tapes, and they do have great sound.

But these are not what you probably hope for. You don't get an album... not at all. You might get a tape with three takes of the same song, all properly spliced together, with white leader separating the takes, and with calibration test tones. The typical 10.5" reel runs for about 15 minutes at that speed, so the best you can expect is three pieces of music per tape.

Do I regret getting them? Not really. It is fun sorting through them, making my own notes, and finding some interesting cuts. The price I paid was fair and not ridiculous... so I might do more of that.

The sound quality ranges from very good to sublime... even if the music is not exactly my cup of tea. And that playing through the Ampex internal circuitry, I have no 30ips head preamp... not yet, anyway.


 

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RE: So you want studio master tapes... be careful what you wish for. , posted on May 18, 2021 at 03:33:41
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You can always buy a TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder and record those tapes in DSD128. The recordings should sound identical to the tapes and you can organize the music into albums. I've been making DSD128 recordings of vinyl for several years and the DSD format sounds more accurate and transparent than any other digital format I've tried.

 

That would kill the whole idea..., posted on May 18, 2021 at 04:23:12
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...which is of an open reel machine, and the biggerer, and the heavier, the better. Good tape machine has the size of a washer, and can spin 14" reels of a 1/2" wide tape. :)

But no... the recording is not going to sound identical.

BTW, today the tape machines are still widely used in smaller studios, where volume of production is not the goal.

However, since the digital is so much more convenient in processing, it is definitely the standard today... HOWEVER... many such studios use the software tape deck simulators - for instance, the software Ampex ATR-102 is a very popular program, mimicking the unique sonic character of that cult machine.


 

Not necessarily!, posted on May 18, 2021 at 05:22:06
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> But no... the recording is not going to sound identical.

I don't think you can be certain until you've made a DSD128 recording with a TASCAM DA-3000. My recordings of vinyl sound identical to vinyl and I believe the DA-3000 should copy analog tape transparently, too. However, you have to try it to find out.

Best regards,
John Elison

 

That is a long philosophical discussion, posted on May 18, 2021 at 06:20:37
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Those who believe in the superiority of analog are going to continue believing it, it doesn't matter what nice toys the other side has.

The tape lovers are also among the most analog analog sound lovers. :)


 

No it's not! It's not a discussion at all...., posted on May 18, 2021 at 06:36:16
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It's simply a matter of whether or not you have the balls to make a DSD128 recording of your master tape using a TASCAM DA-3000 and then let your ears make up your mind. If you don't have the balls to try it, then a discussion is all it can ever be. However, I have no desire to discuss it further.

Good luck,
John Elison

 

OK, I get it... , posted on May 18, 2021 at 06:43:46
Victor Khomenko
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You think I am still wet behind my ears and I have no idea what I am saying. :)


 

Yup!..., posted on May 18, 2021 at 11:17:37
kootenay
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Otherwise, you won't be mucking around with obsolete equipment like those :).

Anyway, I've heard what a 1/2" tape sounds like from the Studer A820 reel to reel machine. A salesman who used to manage a high-end store has two of them. One was for playback only and the other one was for record and playback. They were both housed on an OEM Studer machines cart with wheels. He tried to sell me one of them, but due to the lack of funds, I've ended up buying the Revox A77 instead from him of which he has three laying around. According to him, he bought them from one of the recording studios that went out of business.

In hindsight, I wish I was able to afford it.

 

Sorry guys..., posted on May 19, 2021 at 06:44:30
The sound quality of the humble cassette can be better than reel to reel for the reasons I've been describing lo these past few months. Smaller is better. We already know the cassette is better than CD. Right? Tape is a natural medium. It breathes. To a great extent, It's not what you do, it's how you do it.

 

RE: Sorry guys..., posted on May 19, 2021 at 07:01:12
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***The sound quality of the humble cassette can be better than reel to reel for the reasons I've been describing lo these past few months. ***


Well, you could have been describing for months the sex life of Huītzilōpōchtli, that would not mean it actually happened.

How many people, do you think, would agree with that statement of yours?


 

Calm down people..., posted on May 19, 2021 at 10:49:22
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This is a hobby and not the end of all things so let's not involved the Gods in the debate. Anyway, the Teac DA-30 MKII has finally given up the ghost so I purchased another one the Sony PCM 2300 that I got for a reasonable price. The unit was in excellent condition and without any scratches that I can see. I can tell that it hasn't been used very much.

Right now I'm using it as a transport connecting to my DAC via coaxial cable. The sound is quite good which is a little bit better than the Teac in terms of resolution resolving power.

 

There is room for reconciliation, posted on May 19, 2021 at 11:04:04
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Digital reel-to-reel recorders will save the day!


 

Yes!, posted on May 19, 2021 at 11:36:06
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Beautiful. Speaking of which do you want another one? eBay has one available for sale which will probably need tender loving care. The DASH tapes are difficult to find nowadays I'm sure you have a stash of them.

I wish I knew how to use the oscilloscope and soldering iron.

 

It is even more beautiful in person..., posted on May 19, 2021 at 12:00:35
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...and it works like a charm, with all those lights blinking, and what not.

Yes, the tapes are hard to find... and no, thank you, don't need another one, I am strictly in the selling mood these days. :) There is only so much you can do with forty or so tape machines. :)


 

RE: Sorry guys..., posted on May 19, 2021 at 12:07:23
Probably not too many would agree. But I'm used to that. Ha ha. People tend not to agree with a lot of my statements. Doesn't mean anything to me, though. Do you think I fell off the tomato truck yesterday? It's not what you do, it's how you do it.

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Ordered second batch, posted on May 28, 2021 at 07:40:59
Victor Khomenko
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It should be a bit more diverse one.

There definitely is something special about these tapes.


 

Which recordings?..., posted on May 28, 2021 at 12:58:25
kootenay
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Just curious.

 

Will let you know..., posted on May 28, 2021 at 15:49:49
Victor Khomenko
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...when I get them.

I am buying bulk.

A couple of days ago I received my 30ips, 1/2" calibration tape, and tweaked my Ampex a bit.

Also now can set up the EQ on two of my 1/4" external head preamps to 30ips.


 

Acoustic Sounds sells R to R albums for $450. , posted on May 30, 2021 at 09:08:06
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Never mind...

 

Except for the wow and flutter, and noise, hey! nt, posted on May 30, 2021 at 09:09:13
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RE: Except for the wow and flutter, and noise, hey! nt, posted on May 31, 2021 at 04:31:56
There isn't much if you do it right. Overall it's a superior medium. Nice try, though, dude.

Vinyl, except for the pops and clicks. CDs except for the crappy sound and missing information. Streaming except for the blah sound. :-)

Tape is a natural medium. It breathes.

"If I could explain it to the average guy they wouldn't have given me the Nobel price."

 

А cassette will do when nothing better is available. , posted on May 31, 2021 at 08:35:09
Victor Khomenko
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Or space is limited.


 

Plus the dynamics, transparency, and the sense of being there. , posted on May 31, 2021 at 08:36:40
Victor Khomenko
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Not a bad medium, if you are willing to accept the limitations.


 

Cassettes are very (rpt very) unrated. Musicality and dynamics up the wazoo! Nt, posted on May 31, 2021 at 09:05:18
Nt

 

OK, as long as your wazoo is small. :), posted on May 31, 2021 at 10:43:51
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But I have a big, great wazoo!


 

A question for you..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 12:27:30
kootenay
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Why is it that my Genesis Digital Lens can't synchronize with my Sony PCM 2300 DAT? According to the Genesis manual, you can use it on any digital sources such as CDP, Laser disk, and DAT machines. It synchronizes well with my CDP so no problems there, however, I don't have a laser disk machine so I don't know if it behaves the same way as with the DAT machine. Could be the digital coaxial cable is the culprit? Any ideas?


 

RE: Acoustic Sounds sells R to R albums for $450. , posted on May 31, 2021 at 12:57:32
You know you want to.

 

It's not what you use, it's how you use it...-, posted on June 5, 2021 at 08:56:08
In the "hierarchy of sound" (my terminology) one can arrange the sound quality of audio systems according to many variables, like size, cost and quality of components, cables, etc. also by medium - tape, CD, vinyl, and streaming I suppose, too. But, when one injects tweaks like room treatments, isolation, contact enhancers, wire directionality, fuses, etc. into the equation the hierarchy of sound changes, and you can easily wind up with some lowly inexpensive system on top of more elite, expensive systems that are untweaked and untreated. Everything is topsy-turvy once tweaks enter the area and it can be almost impossible to make sweeping generalizations about anything. In the town where I live the roads don't stop at the edge of town, they keep going.

 

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