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Home Taping is Killing Music

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Posted on June 15, 2004 at 17:34:01
blueingreen
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I saw a little cross boned cassette picture that said Home Taping is Killing Music (below a link to the shirt) on the back of a Fix Vinyl LP - from 1982 put out by MCA Records title was "Shuttered Room". Got a good little cuckle. The Music didn't dye. Anyone else see these in the 70's and 80's. Some kind of record industry self promotion campaign?

 

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Re: Home Taping is Killing Music (sales), posted on June 15, 2004 at 23:52:19
Garty


 
I see these from time to time as I make cassette dubs of Lps :)
Music sales have been going down in the past few years, I think its crappy music that is killing music, or rather killing its sales.

 

"...and it's illegal", posted on June 18, 2004 at 13:15:23
djprobed
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...is part 2 of this charming message, which appears in smaller print below the "tape and crossbones" on my vinyl LP of Dead or Alive's YOUTHQUAKE (UK import version)

Now, how 80s is *that* ?!

djprobed

 

Re: Home Taping is Killing Music, posted on June 19, 2004 at 09:41:22
Estes
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This arguement is as old as recorded music...as an added bonus the big companies made the same argument with videocassettes...we will go broke, no more movies! The reality: every piece of junk that comes out of Hollywood makes money BECAUSE of videotapes/now DVDs. I agree that crappy music is killing off sales. Also there are a lot more ways to spend money now, movies, computer games, etc.

 

Re: Home Taping is Killing Music, posted on June 21, 2004 at 14:46:25
The situation is quite the opposite. The recording made by the protective record industry or high speed tape duplicators are the ones that are killing the music. Most serious recording home enthusiast have better equipment and use better tape than those people that do it professionally to sell to you for lots of money. They should quit complaining and correct their defficiencies before picking on home recording. If their product was any good the home recordist would probably not bother spending all the money to do it right.
I have never heard a cassette that was acceptable from a record company.

Sam

 

Bulls#!t. - a music industry rant., posted on June 22, 2004 at 07:51:30
soundnut
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As you said, the music didn't die because of home taping. And last I knew, the music industry collected a certain percentage from tape recorders and blank tape.

In any case, it's my belief that a large percentage of the music industry is just greedy. If you ever feel sympathy for the poor folks in the music industry who want a bigger cut of your paycheck, just check out an episode of "MTV Cribs" sometime. True, not everyone in the music biz has a fleet of Bentleys and refrigerators full of $200 a bottle champagne, etc. But many do.

And they maintain downloading is "killing" the industry, too. And the RIAA continues their ridiculous witch-hunt, frequently going after grannies who don't even own computers, and schoolkids.

The industry pushes only the most unintelligent dreck down the throats of the consumer and ignores the wants of those with any modicum of taste. Go to Wal-Mart & you'll see row after row of run-of-the-mill crap artists. 20 copies of Britney Spears & Hilary Duff. Boy-bands. Toby "Boot In Yer Ass" Keith, and the like. Try to find a Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck or John Coltrane CD. Try to find Muddy Waters, John Lee Hooker, or even B.B. King. You might find a crappy off-brand 4.98 compilation, but an actual album? Doubtful. These aren't obscure artists, these are guys who are giants of their genres. At the Wally Supercenters, the Big K, etc. in my location, there are no blues or jazz CDs period, unless you think Kenny G is a jazz artist. Let alone artists like William Topley, The Jayhawks, The Minutemen, Bauhaus, Pere Ubu, or other more obscure artists.

There is good music out there. But it's not always easy to find unless you buy on the internet. And if you buy on the web, you usually get stuck with extra shipping charges.

And what about the countless dollars that downloading has made for the industry? What about the downloader who is hipped to a little known band that downloads an mp3 or two, winds up liking it & buying the CDs? CDs they never would have known about if they'd never downloaded an mp3 or two. 'Cause that does happen quite often. I know I wouldn't be willing to fork over $18 for a CD of an artist I'd never heard.

Here's what needs to happen for me to start buying new music:

1) Even the new-release CDs need to be sold at a more reasonable price-point. For example, $10. I think that's fair, since they cost maybe $2 to make and you can buy a far more technologically advanced and expensive to manufacture DVD for less than the price of a music-alone CD. Make it more affordable, and we'll buy it.

2) Give the consumer a choice. Instead of stocking Wal-Mart & Sam Goody with only multi-million sellers & the flavor of the week, make a wide variety of music available to the masses from brick & mortar stores. 'Cuz no matter how much you try to sell me a Godsmack or Britney CD, I ain't buyin' it. None of my friends like that crap either. Make it more available, and we'll buy it.

3) Commercial radio, by and large, sucks. In the major metro areas & college towns you may have a few interesting stations, but in middle America, fuggettaboutit... Even in the largest city in my state (Des Moines, Iowa-population around 250,000.) You have a plethora of stations, all playing the same stuff. It's either Top-40, Classic Rock, Country, or fluffy light rock. No real blues, no jazz, no real alternative music. KFMG was the last good station in Des Moines. And they went belly-up in the late 80s. :-( Consolidation is ruining radio & creating a culturally devoid world of musical "velveeta". So, you either download a few mp3s to expose yourself to interesting music that you would actually want to buy, or you listen to crap on the radio. Commercial radio needs to be more diverse. You don't need seven country stations, six classic rock stations, & five light rock stations on the dial churning out the same drivel.

4) The RIAA needs to stop treating their customers like criminals. Because many of the same people downloading a few tunes from the internet are the same ones who buy the most music. I know of several people who have downloaded stuff from the internet to preview it before buying. And they also have huge CD collections of prerecorded music of several hundred titles, and one guy has probably 4,000. True, some kids do download hundreds of mp3s & burn CDs. But do these kiddies have the disposable income to spend to really make a big difference? And fining someone thousands of dollars for downloading a song? What the Hell? These kind of bully-tactics are not endearing the RIAA to the record-buying public.

I personally have not bought a new CD for at least a couple of years because they're too expensive, and because I'm not willing to support an organization that uses tactics like these to cost thousands of dollars to people who have done nothing more than the modern equivalent of taping a song from the radio. And I'm not a downloader. I just buy used. (Usually on vinyl, when possible.)

Pardon the rant, but these ignorant RIAA people piss me off.

Peace,
Bobbo :-)

 

Re: Bulls#!t. - a music industry rant., posted on June 22, 2004 at 12:35:52
Bobbo,

You make perfect sense to me. But at my age if I buy one Gordon Lightfoot Album a year, that is all the record industry can expect from me. I also usually get them from a record club that offers such low prices that in the long run the RIAA is not going to get a fortune off of me. I support pirating but do not admit to doing it for the same reason that you have outlined previously. If someone is going to kill their own industry it is going to be the garbage producers that are running it. There are no guidelines, rules or most of the cockeyed musicians can not even read music much less get a hair cut.Maybe we should have a woodstock in Iraq and not bring any of them back- good place for Michael Jackson and Spears as well as the rest of the scum. While I do not normally listen to Jazz or Classical, I respect their talents. Ozzy Osborn on the other hand is good for Target practice. Ted Nugent too!

 

Re: Bulls#!t. - a music industry rant., posted on June 22, 2004 at 15:46:42
I put Metallica at the top of the target practice list!!!!! They have the balls to pursue music pirates, pretty much spearheaded the litigation in free downloads that shut down the likes of Napster. These crumungions deserve to rot in thier own swill! BOYCOTT METALLICA

 

I think the music industry would KILL to get back to the days of taping..., posted on June 28, 2004 at 14:18:19
beefman
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Wonder what it'll be like 30 years from now? What will make the MP3 look like yesterdays news because the MP3 certainly makes the cassette look like the music industry was complaining about NOTHING! I'd imagine if they knew that 20 years down the line there'd be devices that could store 100 albums worth of CD-quality sound and be no bigger than a deck of cards AND be loadable in a matter of minutes they'd shut riiight up about home taping and cassettes. Stupid RIAA never did get it... let us do what we want with our music and price it reasonably and you'll sell a hell of a lot more of it.

 

RIAA is NOT ignorant..., posted on July 7, 2004 at 17:57:36
Estes
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They are Greedy, lying, evil @#$%&*! Ignorant means they don't know what they are talking about...they know how to lie for more money!!

 

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