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Grounding speaker basket to + or - speaker leads - any thoughts?

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Posted on August 20, 2003 at 07:44:45
Triodeuser
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Moray James told me about this. Basically, just put a jumper from the basket to the plus or minus lead and listen to the difference - if it sounds better, leave it.

Some drivers it makes no difference.

On my Fostex FE206E's it makes an easily noticable difference on the plus lead -

Sounds much more clear - at a slight loss of (not sure how to describe) depth(?).

I understand that some manufacturers have provided ground leads to the driver basket in some of their models, and that this used to be done a good bit years ago, particularly with 6" and 8" full range drivers.

Any idea what is going on here? or other comments?

regards

Ken L

 

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I've never tried it..., posted on August 20, 2003 at 07:49:03
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but I would expect it to make a difference. The voice coil is pretty efficient way to pick up stray electro-magnetic fields. If you ground the basket, you are providing some degree of shielding to the voice coil.

I would assume that you would be better off to do this with an amp with an unbalanced output using the negative lead, as this is the signal ground. If you have an amp with a balanced output stage, you would probably want to run a separate ground lead to the chassis of the amp.

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I ground my AER drivers in my Oris horn, posted on August 20, 2003 at 08:52:17
I don't really know how much it's supposed to help, but I did it anyway. I run a separate wire from the basket of each speaker to the earth ground of the system, not to the speaker wire. It sure doesn't hurt to ground it, but I did not notice any large difference. Bert Doppenberg recommended doing this to his Oris speaker driver and so I simply complied.

 

You might want to try taking that basket gound wire to the + lead ( or - ), posted on August 20, 2003 at 19:10:49
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instead of the system ground.

We had a session in Asheville sunday at Steve B's house and tried it on his TADS in his sierra brooks grand 32's.

Jim Dowdy, Phil Seig, Randy Carter and the crew preferred it without it. Initially, I preferred it with it, because it smoothed the TADS out to my ear. However, they heard some distortion on some passages that they didn't hear with the TADS in their normal config. And I was standing behind the horns most of the time and doing the AB switching so wasn't in position to judge - however, that is a sharp eared group of guys for sure.

The difference was noticeble - just not a preferential position in the case of the TADS.

Jack R. tried it on his Alnico Philcos with absolutely no change whatsoever.

Don't know if it will do anything on AER's. But of the folks who have tried it on Fostex - we're 2 for 2 - no one else has gotten back to me as to results - very slight difference on the - lead and noticeable difference on the + lead. I've tried to get several other Fostex users to give it a shot but no one has gotten back to me with a yea or nea.

if it's easy for you to get to, why don't you give it a try and tell me what you think?

Regards

Ken L


 

If you do try it on something - let us know how you do., posted on August 20, 2003 at 19:20:04
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I've been trying to get various folks to give this a try.

According to the Madisound tech guy, it was something that used to be done a pretty good bit years ago, but seemed to have fallen out of favor in more recent decades

It may well be something that doesn't work very well except in isolated cases. It is one of those things that I came across that seemed to make a surprising difference. so I thought I would try to understand it better.

Regards

Ken L

 

Why??What does it do???, posted on August 20, 2003 at 22:22:30
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Seems odd why would you even think to try it??

 

In the days of field coils??? nt., posted on August 20, 2003 at 22:25:42
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nt.

 

Not sure - my guess is that it was after field coils, posted on August 21, 2003 at 08:53:39
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The only person that seemed to have heard of this to some degree other than Moray James is Tom, the chief tech at Madisound.

Tom said that this was frequently done by Japanese manuufacturers and others with 6 and 8" full rangers, before the widespread use of 2 and 3 way systems. He never mentioned field coils.

He said that he had been aware of this and had seen it a number of times in the past but had never seen anything technical about what was actually transpiring.

Regards

Ken L

 

Moray James suggested I try it., posted on August 21, 2003 at 14:28:44
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I had made a post about running Fostex drivers. Moray james is running fostex and sent me an e-mail saying give it a try.

In my setup things are more clear.

I'm running FE206E's. The transient ability of the driver seems improved -

It is not subtle on my system.

regards

Ken L


 

Re: Grounding speaker basket to + or - speaker leads - any thoughts?, posted on August 22, 2003 at 19:46:43
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some of the new Tannoy DC spkrs have this feature.

Timbo

 

How do you think this may work on a lesser driver?, posted on August 23, 2003 at 06:50:55
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Like a Vifa $35 dollar job....Prehaps more profpund given that more "electrical noise" may come frm the cheaper basket? I was wondering fro future projects for clients and friends. Though, I will have to try this on mine....
~A~

 

It may work well - it may not work at all, posted on August 23, 2003 at 08:51:24
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we're really just winging it and trying it.

the big thing is to try grounding to either the + or the - lead.

To some extent, is probably affected also by how much basket to magnet contact there is.

If you do try it, please post your results.

Jack R initially said he had absolutely no differnce - knowing I was getting noticeable difference with the Fostex drivers, he soldered a very small silver wire in and got some improvement.

YMMV

regards

Ken L

 

I tried it and..., posted on August 23, 2003 at 16:54:09
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It seems to have very little effect on Vifa woofers, however on a pait os audax 5 and 1/4" audax aerogel, there was noticeable improvement....odd, but worth it from now on to try!
~A~

 

cool, posted on August 23, 2003 at 21:20:45
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Thanks for posting back to let us know.

Regards

Ken L

 

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