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Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations

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Posted on March 24, 1999 at 11:15:31
holmejr


 
Need some help.
I decided replace the drivers on a pair of Original Snell E's (1983). I ordered the drivers (woofer and tweeter) from Snell. I was considering replacing the internal wiring. What I need is some recommendations and some insight on the type of wire to use and some of the Pro's and Con's of doing it at all.

Would appreciate your input. Thanks in advance

Jeff


 

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Re: Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations, posted on March 24, 1999 at 13:20:16
Hi there,

Simplest, cheapest and still very good Speqker-Cable is Category 5 Network Cable. Use one length to the tweeter with all colour wires commoned to make the (+) Connection and all white & colour strip wires for the (-) Connection.

Wire the woofer with two length of the Cable, one each with all wires commoned for (+) and the other for (-).

The same arrangement is also very nice as external Speaker-Cable. I called it "FFRC" and wrote about it in the TNT-Audio Online Magazine.

I use the three length twisted together with 3 twists per meter and enclosed in expandable braided nylon sleeving. Looks professionally and sounds good enough to challenge anything this side of Audioquest Midnight and the better XLO's. Beats Kimber.

Later Thorsten

 

Re: Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations, posted on March 24, 1999 at 13:55:33
A possible CON: you might find that the speaker's "voice" may be skewed away from the original sound once you replace passive components; this may or may not be a desirable result. I did a wire and cap upgrade modification on a Spectrum 410 that made the speaker more revealing, and also revealed a greater discontinuity between woofer and tweeter matching. Do the mod in a way that you can reverse it if you don't like it.

 

Re: Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations, posted on March 24, 1999 at 14:06:54
holmejr


 
Thorsten,
I appreciate you response. My I ask a rather naive question? Should I take a "if it aint broke don't fix" it approach or would there be substantial audio benefits from this?

 

Need someone with knowledge of x-overs here., posted on March 24, 1999 at 14:27:09
Slappy


 
I have a thought, but don't know the answer.
If you change the wiring internally in a speaker, aren't you potentially
changing the resistance or other qualities that were accounted for in the original engineering of the crossovers ? Hopefully someone with more knowledge will pick up this thread.

 

What is TAFKA? thanks nt., posted on March 24, 1999 at 15:45:57
GTF


 
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Recommendation, posted on March 24, 1999 at 20:23:12
Alan Ersen


 
Hop on over to the MADISOUND Discussion forum and see what they have to say.
http://www.madisound.com/discuss/index.html

 

The Audiophile Formerly Known As [Steve] (nt:-), posted on March 24, 1999 at 22:24:44
gnat


 
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Re: Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations, posted on March 25, 1999 at 07:09:01
Hi again,

I personally believe that the difference between cheap Standed wire and high quality Cable (like Cat 5 - cheap but very good - just make sure it's polyolefin or teflon insulated pure solid copper) is quite significant.

And in my experience Speaker-Cables make a larger difference than interconnects. If you really want to pull the stops out, hardwire the Cable from Speaker to Amp and have only a loose connection on the Amplifier side.

As for general Cable Importance, I have found Speakercables, Interconnects and Mainscables to make appreciable differences, in the order noted (BTW, Video Cable and digital Inteconnects matter too)....

Later Thorsten

 

Re: Internal Speaker Wire Recommendations, posted on March 26, 1999 at 23:10:09
Of course the internal wiring will have an affect, in some tower speakers, the wiring runs several feet in length.

Take a look at my DIY Speaker Cable Note, it is at my web page, the URL is in the FAQ for this board. MAterails quality matters, as does the overall geometry. I recommend a crosso-connected coax made from 89259. It has a very neutral sound, crisp highs and tight lows, and can be used for both the woofer and the tweeter.

CAT5 wiring is also an option, just be sure to get the god stuff, the plenum grade teflon insulated, with bare copper solid strands. My note contains info on which Belden part numbers to use to be sure to get the good materials.

I would advise against mixing the woofer and tweeter cables, as per Thorsten's FFRC recipe, as this will create crosstalk between the woofer signal and the tweeter signal. Isolate the two cable runs from one another physically. Be sure to either twist the two CAT5 cable assemblies around one another for the woofer, or to use the built-in pairing that the CAT5 cables already have (solid color vs. striped) and double them up physically. For this short run inside the speaker, this will minimize inductance, and should not present a difficult load to any amp (which is why Thorsten recommends the "all wires in one bundle as one polarity" approach).

One thing to keep in mind for internal speaker wiring, is that it will be subject to a lot of vibrations, so homemade speaker cables should be firmly held together, as with heatshrink (minimum quality level recommended is polyoelfin, do not use PVC, see my note) or plastic cable ties, or other non-metalic means. The idea is to minimize any cable vibrations, and to keep the two polarities of cable signal as fixed in their physical relationship as possible. It would not be overkill to install them in a hose or vacuum cleaner tubing filled with sand to minimize vibrations.

These are things that you as an individual can do, that would be prohibitive for a manufacturer, due to the labor cost factor.

If you upgrade the wiring, it would also make sense to upgrade the caps, at least the tweeter caps. Replacing them with a very high quality cap such as Hovland or Kimber, or MultiCap, etc. would provide some increase in clarity and definition.

This, as well as replacing the wiring could change the voicing of the speaker somewhat, but the wiring and caps are a much safer bet than any other portion of the crossover.

Jon Risch

 

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