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Blues classics and rock era remakes: I think I finally figured out why I often

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Posted on May 30, 2021 at 11:23:19
tinear
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prefer the "white" version. It really has nothing to do with race-affiliation or identification. It's age. When these songs first became known to the larger audience in the 60s, the black blues stars already were a generation or two removed. It just looked and sounded weird to hear a guy old enough to be your grandfather singing sexually obvious lyrics. Kind of gross, actually, like watchin' the Stones now do "Satisfaction." At their age, that feeling is most often felt in the fact of simply waking up every morning or making it through a concert without filling up their Depends.

 

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How many years did it take you to figure that out?, posted on May 30, 2021 at 12:53:08
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Sure a geriatric bad boy band act is a barrel of laughs especially when the audience is the same one still in search of hip credibility 60 years later. Fitting would be the fans throwing their depends on stage to further honor their phony posers.

I think it's real cool these old blues tunes like Train Kept A Rollin' that get covered by rock bands. Yea it's great hearing the blues masters play them too. Sometimes the originals win, sometimes not, and sometimes it depends on my mood and maybe someday someone will look at the scoreboard. Maybe someday it'll depend on whether or not my depends are full. Hmmm, could that mean it's a good take?






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Mostly "raised" on R&R (and jazz but that's another story) and Top 40 radio..., posted on May 30, 2021 at 17:18:58
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I was fortunate to discover Buddy Guy and Junior Wells on a bill with Steppenwolf (who we went to
see but couldn't because we had to leave before they performed. Midnight deadline at that age.) and
some other "rock" bands when I was 13 (1971). They were so dynamic, real, impassioned and incredible
they scarred me (in the best way) for life. They were the real blues and all else I heard thereafter
by white artists was... different. Real enough, but ...different. Certain black artists... same thing.

Wasn't ever an age thing as BG and JW were still relatively young. Through the years the age
thing has meant less and less and the pure artistry and feel of the music has meant more and more.

When I saw The Stones in 1975 they were great.

When I saw Muddy Waters in 1978, he was swaggeringly supreme.

I NEVER felt I needed to see the Stones again. I would have seen MW as often as
possible given the chance - no matter his age.

Not an age or race thing, it's the music and how it's put across.

Grandfather's like to get down, too and IMO, weird is good.








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Saw a menacing Chuck Berry in a small club in, posted on May 31, 2021 at 08:51:37
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Boston mid-60s: he'd taken offense at a talker in the audience, halted the music, and stepped forward to challenge the guy. His face went from a smile to twisted rage in a heartbeat. The guy apologized and the concert continued as if nothing had happened.

Years later, I saw Big Mama Thornton on a bill with Howlin' Wolf. Loved the music of them all. I guess I'm entertaining two views at once. In my case, not the mark of intelligence.

 

Saw Ray Charles and BB King on a bill in 1975..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 11:37:55
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During RC's set a (rather drunk) woman kept yelling and RC kicked back into
chitlin' circuit mode, shut her up good and solid after a bit of back and forth
(and pretty damn harshly) and swung right back into the moment without missing
a note.

The white folks in the audience seemed shocked, the black folks seemed a bit... bemused.

The artists I most love and treasure worked harder to get where they got and endured
more on that journey than we'll ever know.

There's a lot of different types of intelligence, all of it is valid.

Maybe an exception for "military"?...



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I was lucky to see John Hammond and Charlie Musselwhite several times in my formative era, posted on May 31, 2021 at 18:12:38
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i.e. Learnt how covers could be done with white men playing near as to the original stuff.

I've never ever dug the Rolling Stones, so it's a non argument from me, except that you have to thank the Stones, and other British blues revival bands for resurrecting the careers and recordings of many legendary and at
that time, largely forgotten US blues masters.



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Both those guys are still going strong..., posted on May 31, 2021 at 22:40:55
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And so's this other geezer that's been around for a minute.

The Blues: Black... White... and... Gray!







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+1. nt, posted on June 1, 2021 at 05:57:40
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The first time I saw John Hammond was kind of mind-boggling, posted on June 2, 2021 at 21:22:39
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In a "up close and personal" Sydney restaurant/bar/venue.
Maybe 10 feet away.
Just incredible.
And he loved it too, playing for hours.

Another massive privilege was seeing Buddy Guy and Junior Wells playing together in the late 80's - wearing old school polyester suits and pork pie hats, and of course, playing old school. It was a Tardis trip to 1960 Chicago.

I will look that Bishop Musselwhite one up - it looks like it has potential!


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Hammond did a Tom Waits cover CD - Wicked Grin - a while back... , posted on June 5, 2021 at 16:07:21
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that I dug. Didn't think he'd pull it off, but he sure did.

EB & CM are LIARS! They have way more than 100 years in.

I've always been an Elvin Bishop fan, that whole hayseed thing frequently
hides his bonafide blues streak (and mucho intelligent), plus he LOVES
some BIG FUN and that always comes across genuine.

Many moons ago I knew his sister Kate and her boyfriend at the time
and through other friends ended up seeing EB and band many, many
times gratis (During the "Fooled Around and Fell in Love" period).

Always a great time!



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