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Melco (Buffalo) 2nd generation media devices

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Posted on June 27, 2017 at 07:33:11
fmak
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 The most expensive variant uses:

Audio Grade SSDs with

No level wearing in write once application
No acceleration to hit benchmark but creates noise
No compression to boost apparent capacity
Isolation via separate PS and non magnetic anti vibration platform

Melco says audio benefits are clear and this is confirmed in HiFiNews June review, particularly for lower priced dacs. Some audiophiles have been paying a lot for the Paul Pang modifications for SSDs, clocks and cables (whose products I have not tried), but I have for sometime been paying attention to such factors.

I have experienced differences both in audio and video uses, in SSDs with the same software and OS. The effects can be quite telling.

 

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Got a link?, posted on June 27, 2017 at 08:56:37
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 Guessing that the largest difference is in the PS/Controller/cable/housing and not the SSD chips themselves?

Assume this to be a WORM application which would not require 'wear leveling' which tends to scatter bits about and require a lot of computations to find it?

Was told by someone who should know that differences in 'wear leveling' strategies and controller software is the largest difference in SQ of SSD drives so I'd guess that's the case here?





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RE: Got a link?No link, posted on June 27, 2017 at 09:11:31
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 you have to buy a copy

search hifinews

 

LoL !, posted on June 27, 2017 at 09:49:37
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RE: LoL ! -Troll, posted on June 27, 2017 at 11:17:28
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 nt

 

Looking down the page - it's not even 3 weeks since......, posted on June 27, 2017 at 12:09:07
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 .... you had your face forcefully smeared with your own poop by moderator. With the idea, I would guess, that you would stop leaving your stinking steaming piles where you shouldn't.

Looks like it didn't take, eh?

I wonder what he meant when saying that he would like to keep you around a bit longer, and whether he still wants to do that, after this latest "LoL" transgression.

 

RE: Got a link?, posted on June 27, 2017 at 17:17:26
PAR
 No link to HFN as it doesn't have a web page in the way that e.g. Stereophile does.

But here is a link to Melco and their top of line product. As they are a bona fide drive manufacturer I will take their description of the audio grade SSD operation at face value.

I had a long and impressive conversation with them at the Munich show and I may be a customer in the future ( NB : I am easy to impress :-)). Quite a fair amount of money however.

 

If the moderators have a bit of a problem, from time to time, with Abe..., posted on June 27, 2017 at 18:12:42
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 and they do...

They must LOVE you! :-)

Link below:


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LoL..... to be more specific, posted on June 27, 2017 at 18:44:55
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 "Melco says audio benefits are clear and this is confirmed in HiFiNews June review,..."

Confirmed in HifiNews, the supermarket tabloid equivalent to the National Enquirer of audio rags? Hey, I found it gut busting funny! ;-)

 

HifiNews, the supermarket tabloid , posted on June 27, 2017 at 21:57:55
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 If you must post nonsense, do so with a bit of intelligence.

Nonsense, if you have ever read HiFiNews.

This kind of post is what Chris was referring to when he asked you to stop slurring, and throws into context the nature of your posts and existence here.

 

RE: Melco (Buffalo) 2nd generation media devices, posted on June 27, 2017 at 21:58:30
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 I've never owned a Buffalo device I though was worth the cost.
YMMV.




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RE: Got a link?, posted on June 28, 2017 at 06:09:08
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 As they are a bona fide drive manufacturer

Where did you get that information? All I see on their product list are their audio streamers. The investment required to actually manufacture data drives is not inconsequential.

And they really need someone who speaks English to correct their many misspellings!

 

Reviews, posted on June 28, 2017 at 08:29:17
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 If inmates follow PAR's link, they will find a number of reviews, including the HiFiNews one that I referred to. There are measurements included on the effects on some dacs.

Find out how AbeCollins slurs.

 

RE: Got a link?, posted on June 28, 2017 at 08:32:37
PAR
 Buffalo, as in hard and solid state drives, LAN products etc, etc, is a subsidiary of Melco. Melco started out as a hifi company in Japan but entered the computer component supply market in the 1980s using Buffalo as its brand.

The Melco streamers are , I understand, the result of the founder reclaiming the interest of the company in its audio origins.

 

Thanks for the info! -nt, posted on June 28, 2017 at 08:57:25
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Forget, posted on June 28, 2017 at 09:14:56
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 the "audio grade" marketing label for a moment.

The stated design aspects for optimizing (yes Frank) a drive for "write once, read mainly" activity do appear to be different from that of traditional use.

I certainly cannot vouch for the claims, but the approach seems to have merit for that kind of environment - highly stable data sets.

 

RE: Melco (Buffalo) 2nd generation media devices, posted on June 28, 2017 at 09:28:21
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Buffalo is pretty low-end stuff. And they do not make their own SSDs. Only a few of the very largest companies in the world have the capability to make their own NAND flash memory and SSDs. While there are many 'brands' of SSDs on the market the underlying technology is mostly repackaged and rebranded. As for 'audio grade' SSD's, don't even get me started on that snake oil!



 

RE: Forget, posted on June 28, 2017 at 09:34:04
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 The idea of write-once (or write very few) and read-many has been around for a while now in the cheapest of the cheap TLC NAND SSDs, but it's not something that any audio manufacturer thought up on their own. And yes, it makes sense in those applications that require very few writes.... like music files that are written to SSD once and read many times when played back. Samsung EVO series are a perfect example of low cost TLC SSD which are perfectly suited for low duty cycle writes and many reads.

Don't even get me started on the 'audio grade' SSD snake oil !! Melco isn't the first audio company to put an 'audio grade' sticker or stamp of approval on their SSDs to make them appear 'special'. ;-)



 

Nope, posted on June 28, 2017 at 09:45:33
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Buffalo like several dozen other "SSD makers" or "flash memory product makers" do not actually make the technology within these products. There are literally only a small handful of companies on the planet that actually have this capability. Intel, Micron, Toshiba, SanDisk/WD, are the ones that come to mind. Buffalo? Nope.



 

Without knowing anything about your relationship - are you his father?, posted on June 28, 2017 at 09:49:26
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 Or his girlfriend or something?

I mean, why else would you come to the defense of indefensible? You're only looking silly in the process, and are getting on you some of that sticky stinky substance he's spreading here.

Oh, and asking what was the point of your actual response would be entirely pointless, correct? Save perhaps for the evidence of mastering the "search" function, however many years that took. (Hint: no one needs to be as omnipresent in a forum as you, or that belligerent boyfriend son of yours).

 

Grow up, posted on June 28, 2017 at 10:03:40
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RE: Forget, posted on June 28, 2017 at 10:10:17
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 but it's not something that any audio manufacturer thought up on their own.

I'm not aware of anyone having made that claim.

I read the article (and employ an EVO 850 with my server), but potentially there could be other deliberate design choices taken for the specific duty of maintaining what is essentially a ROM device.

Having said that, the specific application is for a network streamer device that is effectively an audio component located alongside everything else. I'm not, however, convinced of its value for my environment where the music server / storage device is located quite distantly from the audio systems and each is sourced via separate breaker boxes and otherwise galvanically isolated.

 

RE: Nope, posted on June 28, 2017 at 10:20:07
PAR
 Is this just your assertion or do you have evidence?

In any case at what point in the manufacturing process does a product cease to be a a product of the manufacturer whose name it bears? OK I understand one may query badge engineering where a finished product from another supplier merely undergoes a minor styling change to rebrand it but I can think of few products where all of the technology or materials utilised come exclusively from the end manufacturer.

 

Buffalo is pretty low-end stuff., posted on June 28, 2017 at 10:55:47
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 Another slur!

 

This is just another, posted on June 28, 2017 at 10:58:59
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 slur of many.

 

Not a slur, an opinion held by many in the know - nt, posted on June 28, 2017 at 11:33:07
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RE: Nope, posted on June 28, 2017 at 11:45:19
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 I have more credible evidence for my point than the O.P. has for his reference citing Hifinews. ;-)

"Melco says audio benefits are clear"... Sure, what manufacturer would say otherwise about their own product? "...and this is confirmed in HiFiNews June review, " Confirmed by a tabloid-grade audio rag? OK. LoL!

See the link below which shows the small handful of NAND flash makers in the world, keeping in mind that NAND flash is at the heart of every SSD on the market from several dozen brands.

You make a valid point about finished product vs the core technologies within but there's not a lot the various 'brands' can control because the technology - and the cost of entry in this market - is far beyond most of these brands including Buffalo.




 

RE: Forget, posted on June 28, 2017 at 11:59:31
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I was alluding to what the OP posted as

"No level wearing in write once application"

even though he has his terminology backwards. It's actually called 'wear leveling' in the industry.

Your EVO series are perfectly suited for write-once (or write a few) and read-many applications. That's what we do with music servers. For the most part our music files just sit there once written to SSD but are read many times whenever we play them back.


 

No relation to Abe..., posted on June 28, 2017 at 16:30:00
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 But was you mother hanging out in San Francisco in the late 70's or early 80's?

Just curious. :-)


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in the know of what?, posted on June 28, 2017 at 22:10:49
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 in commercial terms, this is libel.

Name those who are in the 'know' of what?

Equating chip making and audio product expertise demonstrates clearly your lack of desire to rationalise on the matter.

 

Get a clue Fred, you surely need one, posted on June 29, 2017 at 21:31:42
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RE: Get a clue Fred, you surely need one, posted on June 30, 2017 at 11:15:42
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 The clues that you leave behind confirm that you are no audiophile. Just a slur with an agenda.

 

Grow up Fred, posted on June 30, 2017 at 12:38:37
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RE: Melco (Buffalo) 2nd generation media devices, posted on July 5, 2017 at 14:24:42
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 According to the June HIFI Choice they still don't have their control software ready. Amazing for such a top line manufacturer. I guess you could use Linn Kazoo to control it. But it seems that for the time they've been selling these things they would have worked on the control software.


When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey

 

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