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PiCore experiment, sound quality colored, security concerns

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Posted on April 14, 2017 at 08:33:52
Comparing Moode Audio to Volumio, sound quality is colored. There is a color to the LMS based systems, I do not know as much as I did when I was 15 years younger but everyone is ranting and raving how great these squeezebox based software players are.

In my opinion only, this brings back memories of the crap $300 squeezebox sound quality, the only benefit I see is hacked apps which can get you streaming services with security concerns for me at least.

No thanks, no offense to anyone, just my opinion.

 

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Dang We Are Losing Cult Members Left and RIght, posted on April 14, 2017 at 08:45:49
Time to make another Promo-Video

Actually don't see why anyone would be offended by your opinion. I say go with what sounds/works best for you...tons of choices.


 

Exit, posted on April 14, 2017 at 09:26:46
Yeah. There is so much working going on in this space, no offense to any developers. They work hard doing what they believe is best.

At the very least this was a $500 Rasberry experiment for me, donated to Volumio and Moode Audio at $100 clips.

Still got an IFI power supply coming and the case for the RPi and Digi+ pro case, maybe I will give it away too, as the Sonos modified Connect by Wyred 4 Sound is fantastic, I keep falling back to that.

I really think open source needs a leader, check out how sad the HURD Operating system is going for proof, we need companies and funding to get something done correctly unfortunately as we are in a money based energy extract system.

 

Synergy..........................., posted on April 14, 2017 at 09:33:19
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It may not work right for your system. Have no idea what kind of amps and Speakers you have.... I am using Bi-Amped Oris Horns at 114db with 45 SET amps.....

You have to use what's right for you.



 

RE: What color is it?, posted on April 14, 2017 at 11:52:28
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Some color can be good! :-)


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Exit, posted on April 14, 2017 at 12:38:12
Yes its pretty easy to Nickle and Dime yourself into a substantial amount of money in this hobby.

Just think, if you would have purchased a fancy LPS and a fancy USB-SPDIF converter and some cables etc. you could easily be >$1k. Thats about the cost of a modded Sonos +/-. Be better off just getting the modded Sonos from the start.

This is a fun hobby, but I'm sure I spent more money on junk than on keeper items over the years.


 

RE: PiCore experiment, sound quality colored, security concerns , posted on April 14, 2017 at 12:51:51
Finally a voice of reason!!!!

Agree on both, but I have to say Pi Core sound quality is worse. A touch distant and muddy. Not bad, but you know in your heart that it's.......shite.

 

Distant and Muddy Sound from PiCorePlayer?, posted on April 14, 2017 at 13:40:39
Wow, never heard it described like that before...

 

"but I have to say Pi Core sound quality is worse.'.........., posted on April 14, 2017 at 13:41:54
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How can you review it? You could not even get it installed!

So, someone is lying somewhere!



 

LOL!!!!! Busted.....nt, posted on April 14, 2017 at 13:50:00
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RE: "but I have to say Pi Core sound quality is worse.'.........., posted on April 14, 2017 at 15:20:04
I connected a USB hard drive when I first tried it a few weeks ago with my new DAC(Mamboberry LS+) to see if it sounded any better than my old DAC (HiFi Berry). It didn't. If anything the new DAC revealed the limitations of Pi Core in the SQ department even more.

Wanted to try getting my files from the network like I do in Rune so that I could make an honest apples to apples comparison, but that blew up in my face.

I didn't honestly expect getting my files from the network .vs a USB hard drive to win me over since the only difference I noticed in Rune was a SLIGHTLY higher noise floor. That was also before I got my new linear power supply, so the difference could be even smaller now.

It was refreshing to hear at least one other person make the observation that Volumio has better sound quality than Pi Core.

 

RE: "hacked apps which can get you streaming services with security concerns", posted on April 14, 2017 at 17:18:44
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Which ones are those?

Is LMS a security threat running on your computer? Less of a security threat running on a Raspberry Pi?

Or is the security threat having LMS and it's plug-ins running on your network?

Considering all of the crap that is running on the average network, from smart refrigerators to security cameras, I'm not sure LMS is adding a lot of risk.




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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Dang!, posted on April 14, 2017 at 18:05:11
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Here I thought you were ready to give away your modified SONOS Connect to the first person who posted the secret code, now that you had that Raspberry Pi up and running,

But no. :-(

But I'm going to do a test.

St Germain on my Mac Mini Hard Drive vs. the CD on my Silver Disk Spinner vs. streaming via LMS to PcP on the Raspberry Pi/HiFi Berry Digi+ Pro all on the same Audio-GD Multi-bit Ladder DAC vs TIDAL MQA running on the same Mac Mini to the Meridian Explorer 2 decoding the MQA.

Maybe 'dark' wins? ;-)





First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Kellyane has warned me about my Microwave..........nt, posted on April 14, 2017 at 18:07:03
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nt



 

RE: Dang!, posted on April 14, 2017 at 18:23:38
I am going to keep the RP system, finally going to build another system.

 

So..., posted on April 15, 2017 at 06:34:20
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you were running PcP and LMS on the Pi AND powering an attached USB hard drive from the same supply?

If I got that right, that configuration is far from optimizing its potential! There are multiple ways to improve the results if you're ever interested.

 

RE: PiCore experiment, sound quality colored, security concerns , posted on April 17, 2017 at 02:01:38
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You're driving me nuts with your quick verdicts, "opinions"
and false statements.

After some of your proven 100% wrong statements
you'd better be careful of what you're spreading.

1. Tone-color is nothing bad! A color - a set of harmonics - makes
an instruments sounding like an instrument.
Presenting a color and a character (micro details) is a great thing.
2. Killing harmonics is a bad thing
3. Changing harmonics is a bad thing
4. Hiding micro details in noise floor or jitter is a bad thing.

5. Moode is not a LMS based system. It's a MPD based system, as Volumio
and Rune.
As an extra feature (option) it offers squeezelite being a part of the
Squeeze universe.
6. Just swapping SD-cards and hoping for best sound doesn't work!
Every system requires this or that adjustment (requiring at least a little knowledge) to sound best.


And with all your intelligence and memory, I'm surprised that you can recall your experience with a "crap" squeezebox years back and use that as argument for your weird opinions.

Just think and verify first before hitting the keyboard!

THX.




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